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01-16-2013, 11:37 AM
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Maple Leafs: Prospects more valuable than Luongo any day

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...go-any-day-cox


I hate the idea of "rebuilding" but we have a lot of good pieces in the mix that given time I really do believe we can be a top contender team. And with next year draft I would not object to trading Kessel and Lupal for a first rounder each.

I also firmly believe Riemer has the potential to be a #1. If it doesn't happen then trade/draft for a young guy and start there. We still have Scrivens to look at and maybe get Bernier at the right price (i think we could get him pretty cheep).

Why trade for Luongo when we are not ready to for a deep drive into the playoffs?

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Great article by Cox.

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I really hope we do not get Lou. I think he is a great tender and should be the number 1 guy for a playoff team like a Chicago/Washington. It does not make sense for the leafs to trade more than a prospect/1st rounder for him. Getting Lou will make the team like Calgary a 7-10 team that is never really rebuilding and never really competing for the cup.

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Great article by Cox.
As much as I hate Cox, he has been good lately. His article on MLSE mishandling the Burke fiasco was well done, and this was bang on.

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Exactly. Vancouver should be happy that they can actually get rid of a contract of that magnitude..the fact that they want an overpayment for it is ludicrous.

I hope that they are forced to trade him to Chicago in the off season next year where he goes on to beat Schneider in the playoffs, and win the Cup. That would be great.

Luongo is easily a top 10 goaltender but that contract is one of the worst in the league.

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I'm confused by the positivity the Toronto sports media has been showing lately

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Trading Kessel for a first rounder is a terrible idea. He is one of the only players in the league to consistently score 30+ goals a season and he is actually an amazing playmaker. I have a hard time envisioning a first rounder turning into a better player than Kessel (if he is out of the top 3).

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Suffering through a shortened season is better than suffering a full season for the same reward. If they suck this year, oh well it's only 4 months.


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Trading Kadri would be a dumb move. It would be as dumb a move as the team who traded Hodgson.

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Great article by Cox.
Agree. But I would go further....I would not want Luongo's contract even if he was free. Need added incentives like draft picks coming to toronto to take on his toxic contract.

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As much as I hate Cox, he has been good lately. His article on MLSE mishandling the Burke fiasco was well done, and this was bang on.
Yup, Cox has been writing quality stuff lately and this article is no different. I agree with most of it.

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Great article by Cox.
This is something I would never want to quote and agree with, yet here I am.

I agree wholeheartedly, Luongo (at the cost that is rumoured), is not the way to go.

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Great article and really he's just reiterating what Nonis should do if he's thinking rationally.

You see what you have in net, and worst case scenario may end up being best case scenario (stacked draft).

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Exactly. Vancouver should be happy that they can actually get rid of a contract of that magnitude..the fact that they want an overpayment for it is ludicrous.

I hope that they are forced to trade him to Chicago in the off season next year where he goes on to beat Schneider in the playoffs, and win the Cup. That would be great.

Luongo is easily a top 10 goaltender but that contract is one of the worst in the league.
I love their fans argument that "we'll just keep him if we don't get quality in return". Keeping a 5 mil/year goalie as a back-up for the next decade doesn't seem like good asset management in my mind.

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I wish Cox wrote like this all the time. Solid article.

Vancouver should just take whatever the best offer is now. They can't start the season with Luongo on the team. If Schneider gets off to a slow start they've got a full scale circus on their hands.

You can't give the starting job to Schneider but then have Luongo (who was their former captain btw) looking over his shoulder. Ridiculous.

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I love their fans argument that "we'll just keep him if we don't get quality in return". Keeping a 5 mil/year goalie as a back-up for the next decade doesn't seem like good asset management in my mind.
I think the sentiment is that holding onto Luongo for another year(especially in a shortened season) does nothing to decrease his value, unless he craps the bed(And with how you'd figure he wants to be traded he'd be bringing his best efforts to show his stuff.)
We've spent close to the same if not more on goaltending in the recent past then we would be this year keeping both.

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Will say I agree with the spirit. Paying a major price for Luongo really gets us nowhere. But at this point this team is primed for a good pick in a short season. Give this team another blue-chip to go along with Rielly and you just keep on building this team.

Better than making moves just to push into mediocre territory.

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01-16-2013, 12:37 PM
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I think the sentiment is that holding onto Luongo for another year(especially in a shortened season) does nothing to decrease his value, unless he craps the bed(And with how you'd figure he wants to be traded he'd be bringing his best efforts to show his stuff.)
We've spent close to the same if not more on goaltending in the recent past then we would be this year keeping both.
If you think it's a bright idea to keep him for a decade as a backup, it's your choice you're entitled to your opinion. I just don't see it as a viable option.

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I think the sentiment is that holding onto Luongo for another year(especially in a shortened season) does nothing to decrease his value, unless he craps the bed(And with how you'd figure he wants to be traded he'd be bringing his best efforts to show his stuff.)
We've spent close to the same if not more on goaltending in the recent past then we would be this year keeping both.
You're right. Keeping Luongo all season maybe won't hurt his value. It may even increase his value.

The question is what's going to happen if Schneider struggles for a few games? What if the Canucks get off to a bad start? All of a sudden you've got a huge distraction brewing.

You can't have your former captain sitting on the bench and expect everything to work out fine. You just can't. It's easy to say it's not a distraction now. The games haven't started. There's nothing on the line.

Even the TSN guys the other day were talking about Luongo stopping 5/5 shots at the end of practice while Schneider only stopped one. They were half-joking but if something like that was mentioned already on national tv, just wait until the season starts!

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I'm confused by the positivity the Toronto sports media has been showing lately
Probably has something to do with the owners of the Leafs also owning practically every media and news channel in the country.

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If you think it's a bright idea to keep him for a decade as a backup, it's your choice you're entitled to your opinion. I just don't see it as a viable option.
So you didn't read what I wrote?

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You're right. Keeping Luongo all season maybe won't hurt his value. It may even increase his value.

The question is what's going to happen if Schneider struggles for a few games? What if the Canucks get off to a bad start? All of a sudden you've got a huge distraction brewing.

You can't have your former captain sitting on the bench and expect everything to work out fine. You just can't. It's easy to say it's not a distraction now. The games haven't started. There's nothing on the line.

Even the TSN guys the other day were talking about Luongo stopping 5/5 shots at the end of practice while Schneider only stopped one. They were half-joking but if something like that was mentioned already on national tv, just wait until the season starts!
Personally I think we've seen the Luongo/Schneider thing play out since the Boston series. There really isn't anything new the media can bring up that they haven't already.

The Canucks always get off to a bad start I'm not worried about that either. The October freakout is just in January now .

The only way the Canucks are truly screwed is if both goalies crap the bed.

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hahaha some Leafs fans are so easily fooled.

You all know that Cox is a notorious buttkisser towards whoever and whatever his agenda is.

It's no coincidence that Cox is now smoozing up to the Leafs since he draws a pay cheque from Rogers who now own MLSE.

Damian Cox > tool.

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IMO I love the idea of Rielly - Jones in the future. If we could get Jones *drool*

Dream setting, we somehow get #1 and #2 picks and draft Jones and MacKinnon. #1C and #1D for future set, just need a goalie.

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IMO I love the idea of Rielly - Jones in the future. If we could get Jones *drool*

Dream setting, we somehow get #1 and #2 picks and draft Jones and MacKinnon. #1C and #1D for future set, just need a goalie.
I actually went through the last 12 years of the draft and noticed the best ranked forward was ALWAYS a better pick than the best ranked defenceman. The one year a team gambled on a dman first ended up being a disaster of a pick. And that player was also a US National Development product.

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hahaha some Leafs fans are so easily fooled.

You all know that Cox is a notorious buttkisser towards whoever and whatever his agenda is.

It's no coincidence that Cox is now smoozing up to the Leafs since he draws a pay cheque from Rogers who now own MLSE.

Damian Cox > tool.
Lol, what is this?

Did you maybe even try to read it? Did you notice that everything he's saying is spot on. Would you rather the Leafs trade one of their three future pieces (Rielly/Gardiner/2013 1st) for Luongo?

So ignorant..

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