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01-16-2013, 01:08 PM
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I think the sentiment is that holding onto Luongo for another year(especially in a shortened season) does nothing to decrease his value, unless he craps the bed(And with how you'd figure he wants to be traded he'd be bringing his best efforts to show his stuff.)
We've spent close to the same if not more on goaltending in the recent past then we would be this year keeping both.
Given the dip in the cap beginning next season, Vancouver will be in a much more awkward position if they still have not moved his contract before then. I think Vancouver will have difficulty giving him away for free then if that's not already the case.

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Something logical that he wrote.

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Lol, what is this?

Did you maybe even try to read it? Did you notice that everything he's saying is spot on. Would you rather the Leafs trade one of their three future pieces (Rielly/Gardiner/2013 1st) for Luongo?

So ignorant..
The article made perfect sense, you're right.

However it wouldn't surprise me one bit if these guys are now purposely avoiding the inflammatory articles considering they've seen first hand what happened to Howard Burger.

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Great article by Cox.
Basically what a few of us have been saying around here for awhile now. I guess Cox reads HF as well

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01-16-2013, 01:18 PM
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As much as I hate Cox, he has been good lately. His article on MLSE mishandling the Burke fiasco was well done, and this was bang on.
I completely agree. I have no idea what's going on here. The world is backwards.

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Given the dip in the cap beginning next season, Vancouver will be in a much more awkward position if they still have not moved his contract before then. I think Vancouver will have difficulty giving him away for free then if that's not already the case.
With Gillis and Gillman, I'm not worried about the s'cap, I'm more worried about letting Luongo go for nothing.

Like I've said from the beginning, where ever he goes, the Canucks will end up receiving less then they wanted to get, but slightly more then the other team wanted to give up.

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01-16-2013, 01:29 PM
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I don't really care why Cox wrote the article, but this is one of the only times I've ever found myself agreeing with him.


Not giving up the 1st is a no-brainer, of course, but we could even get some solid pieces with later picks in this deep draft.

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Wow, good article by Cox.

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I hate the idea of "rebuilding" but we have a lot of good pieces in the mix that given time I really do believe we can be a top contender team. And with next year draft I would not object to trading Kessel and Lupal for a first rounder each.

I also firmly believe Riemer has the potential to be a #1. If it doesn't happen then trade/draft for a young guy and start there. We still have Scrivens to look at and maybe get Bernier at the right price (i think we could get him pretty cheep).

Why trade for Luongo when we are not ready to for a deep drive into the playoffs?
Good Article,

but your ideas are bad.

To Clarify - trading kessel and Lupul would be a horrible mistake by the leafs, unless we are upgrading the roster. If we continue to trade away talent for picks we'll never entice UFA's to sign here.

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I hate the idea of "rebuilding" but we have a lot of good pieces in the mix that given time I really do believe we can be a top contender team. And with next year draft I would not object to trading Kessel and Lupal for a first rounder each.

I also firmly believe Riemer has the potential to be a #1. If it doesn't happen then trade/draft for a young guy and start there. We still have Scrivens to look at and maybe get Bernier at the right price (i think we could get him pretty cheep).

Why trade for Luongo when we are not ready to for a deep drive into the playoffs?
That was an excellent article. I agreed with all of Cox's points.

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01-16-2013, 03:03 PM
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Nonnis.

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Basically what a few of us have been saying around here for awhile now. I guess Cox reads HF as well
Nonis is a new direction and doesn`t garner the ire of Toronto media,allowing them to think soberly instead of with blind hatred towards Burke.Many of us have been saying Nonnis is in a can`t lose postion,unless he trades for Luongo who brings us close but not into the playoffs.We have a lot pieces who could be traded at the deadline and in Kessel`s case(NMC next year?) may have to be.

Think about this Phaneuff,Kessel(if we have to),Grabo/Bozak,,Macarthur,Komi and Connolly all offered up at deadline.They would get a handsome return to teams desperate to win now.

Lupul is our captain.

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I hate the idea of "rebuilding" but we have a lot of good pieces in the mix that given time I really do believe we can be a top contender team. And with next year draft I would not object to trading Kessel and Lupal for a first rounder each.

I also firmly believe Riemer has the potential to be a #1. If it doesn't happen then trade/draft for a young guy and start there. We still have Scrivens to look at and maybe get Bernier at the right price (i think we could get him pretty cheep).

Why trade for Luongo when we are not ready to for a deep drive into the playoffs?
why would you trade a 25 year old who was 6th in the NHL scoring for a 1st rounder, build around him. Dont do the Luongo trade and keep your young guys, Cox is right. Depending where we are in the playoff race this year yes we may see Lupul moved.

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01-16-2013, 03:22 PM
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The issue with Kessel.

If he has NMC next year,he can walk away for nothing.Why gamble on a guy who may not want to be here? If we can't resign him to an extension now he may get $8 million on the free market.My gut tells me an American who is shy,would rather play south of here with less media attention.He will always be reminded of that Boston trade as Seguin and Hamilton improve.IF Bozak gets traded,he may even follow him.Too risky,resign him or trade him.

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Gonna have to say I agree with Cox on this one...I feel dirty

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If he has NMC next year,he can walk away for nothing.Why gamble on a guy who may not want to be here? If we can't resign him to an extension now he may get $8 million on the free market.My gut tells me an American who is shy,would rather play south of here with less media attention.He will always be reminded of that Boston trade as Seguin and Hamilton improve.IF Bozak gets traded,he may even follow him.Too risky,resign him or trade him.
sorry, he has a No movement in the last year of his contract?

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Very good article as many have said.

As much as I'd love Mackinnon or Jones... I want Reimer to have a good year. It is impossible for Reimer to have a good season and us still receiving a top 5 pick. If we do receive a top 5 pick then that means that we are back to square one in between the pipes. Maybe then, this following year we can grab a proven legit goaltender.

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hahaha some Leafs fans are so easily fooled.

You all know that Cox is a notorious buttkisser towards whoever and whatever his agenda is.

It's no coincidence that Cox is now smoozing up to the Leafs since he draws a pay cheque from Rogers who now own MLSE.

Damian Cox > tool.
Last I checked, Toronto Star is owned by... Toronto Star. Not Rogers.

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Amazing. Ever since Burke is gone I find the MSM is "kinder" to the leafs.

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That is what I have heard.

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sorry, he has a No movement in the last year of his contract?
If he has a NMC in his last year,we have a problem.

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hahaha some Leafs fans are so easily fooled.

You all know that Cox is a notorious buttkisser towards whoever and whatever his agenda is.

It's no coincidence that Cox is now smoozing up to the Leafs since he draws a pay cheque from Rogers who now own MLSE.

Damian Cox > tool.
Damian Cox is "greater than" a tool???? Good insult man!

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Clap, clap, clap.

An article by Cox that doesn't make me think he's absolutely crazy. He's actually been pretty good lately.

As for the op though, the thoughts of trading kessel for a 1st round pick seems quite absurd to me. watching him over the past few years, his game has evolved from being nothing more than a sniper, to an actual offensive threat. some of his setups last year were unbelievable.

if he can be held more accountable and work harder in the new defensive system, while still putting up 30-goals a year, this is the exact type of player you hope you can draft with high picks.

i'd be looking at the roster this year and trying to get rid of any pieces that aren't long-term assets that i want to keep. i'd be trading them all away for prospects and picks to playoff bound teams, even if we were on the fringe of perhaps making the playoffs (kind of like last year before the collapse). this team is not a stanley cup contender.

i'd move anyone on the team except: kessel, jvr (high hopes and i'd like to see him get a season to try), gardiner, phaneuf, reilly, kadri. there are a few other prospects i'd rather keep in the system, but they can be expendable

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Nonis is a new direction and doesn`t garner the ire of Toronto media,allowing them to think soberly instead of with blind hatred towards Burke.Many of us have been saying Nonnis is in a can`t lose postion,unless he trades for Luongo who brings us close but not into the playoffs.We have a lot pieces who could be traded at the deadline and in Kessel`s case(NMC next year?) may have to be.

Think about this Phaneuff,Kessel(if we have to),Grabo/Bozak,,Macarthur,Komi and Connolly all offered up at deadline.They would get a handsome return to teams desperate to win now.

Lupul is our captain.
Tim Connolly is a sure fire bet to get moved at the deadline if we're out of it.

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Wow, I don't recall a time where I agreed with Cox so completely on one subject. This article has my perspective down to a T.

I hope Nonis feels the same way too.

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Tim Connolly is a sure fire bet to get moved at the deadline if we're out of it.
I'd bet he's moved either way.

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Also it would be really really dumb to move Kadri right now. We've spent 3 years developing this guy and he's starting to mature and improve his overall game. You would have to assume that Nonis wants to see some fruits of his labour.

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