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03-14-2013, 01:55 AM
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columbus has stated that they are shopping brandon dubinsky.

now bring in the john davidson/jarmo connection to st. louis.
stl is looking for a top center which brandon really isn't but a 6 ft 200lb 100pim guy would really fit in the hitch system.

i'd say cole plus low end pick (5th or 6th) for dubinsky straight up. the blues defense is somewhat coming together and i feel cole is going to rot on the bench being the 7th man which the blues have the defensive depth to fill. dubinsky is already under contract to a armstrong like deal of 4.2 mil for two more years. lastly if realignment happends columbus goes to east so both sides don't have to face each other in the regular season.

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columbus has stated that they are shopping brandon dubinsky.

now bring in the john davidson/jarmo connection to st. louis.
stl is looking for a top center which brandon really isn't but a 6 ft 200lb 100pim guy would really fit in the hitch system.

i'd say cole plus low end pick (5th or 6th) for dubinsky straight up. the blues defense is somewhat coming together and i feel cole is going to rot on the bench being the 7th man which the blues have the defensive depth to fill. dubinsky is already under contract to a armstrong like deal of 4.2 mil for two more years. lastly if realignment happends columbus goes to east so both sides don't have to face each other in the regular season.
The Blues have Berglund and Backes Dubinsky is not an upgrade over either. We need a true #1 center not and overpaid 3rd line center. I understand the CBJ are happy with him at his cap hit so it's not meant as an insult just it makes no sense for us.

Also doesn't make sense for the Blue Jackets as well to be honest.

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Doesn't make sense with our tight budget and important players to resign in the summer.

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Columbus needs leadership and top-six forwards. Has a surplus of young defensemen, particularly the kind that are skilled at moving the puck.

HFboards logic: Let's propose a deal with Columbus where I trade them something which they don't need for something they need, they're a bad team and I'm sure they won't mind helping us out

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I see deals happening between them---just not this one.

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03-14-2013, 02:06 AM
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i just think it solves the problem of having another big center because if the blues are cash cautious they will never afford a #1 center. i think dubinsky in the middle finally puts backes back on RW where he belongs. cole has had his chances i think if management trusted him he would play everyday and not be behind wade redden of all people.

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03-14-2013, 02:15 AM
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i just think it solves the problem of having another big center because if the blues are cash cautious they will never afford a #1 center. i think dubinsky in the middle finally puts backes back on RW where he belongs. cole has had his chances i think if management trusted him he would play everyday and not be behind wade redden of all people.
Backes is never going to back to the wing. This would put Steen back on LW.

Blues can't afford to pay $4.65 million (real dollars) for a player of Dubinsky's talent level, though, so it's dead in the water.

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i think more of petro/shatt/steward pending rfa really muddles everything.
i dont know what steen has to do with backes they never seem to play on the same line. my opinion backes scores more goals and creates havok on the wings instead of trolling in the crease.

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i think more of petro/shatt/steward pending rfa really muddles everything.
i dont know what steen has to do with backes they never seem to play on the same line. my opinion backes scores more goals and creates havok on the wings instead of trolling in the crease.
Steen is best suited on the wing, but he's currently our third line center for lack of a better option.

Backes is one of the premier defensive centers in the league, and his skill set is tailor-made for playing center in the Blues system. There's no organizational interest in moving him back to the wing.

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03-14-2013, 08:27 AM
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columbus has stated that they are shopping brandon dubinsky.
Simply not true. Dubinsky's name has popped up in a couple of columns with the stated reason of shedding salary and since the CBJ are not a cap team it doesn't really make much sense. They have demonstrated the willingness to spend when necessary so not really a budget team either.

JD has repeatedly mentioned Dubinsky specifically as the kind of player he wants to build around.

Now I'm not saying he can't be traded, no one really knows what in direction JD & Jarmo are headed, but Brandon Dubinsky is most certainly well down the list of players likely to be shopped.

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columbus has stated that they are shopping brandon dubinsky.
I'm going to ignore the rest of your post until you provide a link that cites someone in the CBJ FO as saying this.

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Doesn't make sense with our tight budget and important players to resign in the summer.
What's up with that tight budget? The Blues now have a lower cap than the NYI, yet we do not hear all the cheap jokes about them like we do the Isles.

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Steen is best suited on the wing, but he's currently our third line center for lack of a better option.

Backes is one of the premier defensive centers in the league, and his skill set is tailor-made for playing center in the Blues system. There's no organizational interest in moving him back to the wing.
Yep, and majority of Blues fans don't realize that Backes didn't break out until he went back to center. His defensive ability would be wasted on the wing, not sure why some people don't realize that.

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What's up with that tight budget? The Blues now have a lower cap than the NYI, yet we do not hear all the cheap jokes about them like we do the Isles.
Stewart, Berglund, Pietrangelo, and Shattenkirk all up for large raises. Nothing to do with the cap, just real cash. New owners, not clear how much they're going to spend, but it's probably not going to be a lot. Income in the midwest, relative to the coasts and the costs of running a team, is not great. The only way to increase salary without funneling a giant amount of cash in all at once is to ice a team that's good enough to boost merchandise sales and justify slightly higher ticket prices each year.

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What's up with that tight budget? The Blues now have a lower cap than the NYI, yet we do not hear all the cheap jokes about them like we do the Isles.
Because it has nothing to do with the cap. It has everything to do with the fact that the team is losing money hand over fist and doesn't have the cash to spend to the cap. Ownership is trying to make the team as competitive as possible with limited funds. That's why Dubinsky is a bad fit. He's a good player, but we can spend 4.2 million per year or whatever it is exactly much more effectively.

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columbus has stated that they are shopping brandon dubinsky.
No they have not. The only person who's said that they are is one lone jackass who legitimately hates Columbus (Bruce Garrioch). His moronic ramblings masquerading as "journalism" the last few years, in addition to his constant fighting with CBJ fans, bears this out.

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Can I see a credible source for the rumor that Columbus is shopping Dubinsky? From all that I have heard, he is NOT on the table.

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Can I see a credible source for the rumor that Columbus is shopping Dubinsky? From all that I have heard, he is NOT on the table.
Really. From my knowledge, nobody connected to the Bluejackets has stated Dubinsky is being shopped.

The OP can't come out and say Columbus is shopping him without some sort of proof. They can say that its rumored he's being shopped though...

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columbus has stated that they are shopping brandon dubinsky.

now bring in the john davidson/jarmo connection to st. louis.
stl is looking for a top center which brandon really isn't but a 6 ft 200lb 100pim guy would really fit in the hitch system.

i'd say cole plus low end pick (5th or 6th) for dubinsky straight up. the blues defense is somewhat coming together and i feel cole is going to rot on the bench being the 7th man which the blues have the defensive depth to fill. dubinsky is already under contract to a armstrong like deal of 4.2 mil for two more years. lastly if realignment happends columbus goes to east so both sides don't have to face each other in the regular season.
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stl is looking for a top center which brandon really isn't
So why bother with the proposal? Seems like your trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

Dubinsky doesn't fill a need for the Blues. (Decent sized two-way player? Blues have those in spades.) Dubinsky costs more than the Blues can afford going forward since they need to resign Berglund, Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, and Stewart going forward.

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Rumor has it JJ is available, I'd rather add to whatever we were going to offer Dubi and make an offer for him instead.

Just kidding Columbus fans ...

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Rumor has it JJ is available, I'd rather add to whatever we were going to offer Dubi and make an offer for him instead.

Just kidding Columbus fans ...
Do not want.

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Rumor has it JJ is available, I'd rather add to whatever we were going to offer Dubi and make an offer for him instead.

Just kidding Columbus fans ...
Hahahaha I like your style!

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Setting aside the whole "the only reason Dubinsky is mentioned in trade rumors at all is because Garrioch hates Columbus" thing, any sort of trade involving Cole or any other defenseman shy of a legit badass superstar simply makes no sense for Columbus.

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Can the OP provide a link to CBJ shopping Dubinsky?


And can he also explain why they would need another defensman? Erixon, Murray, Tyutin, Johnson, Moore, Savard, Goloubef, Nikitin, Wiz....that does not seem a pressing need for them. Unless they are getting a top pairing guy, don't see why they would trade a forward for a defensman.

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