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Does Kessel fit into the long term plans of the Leafs?

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01-16-2013, 10:35 PM
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Gilmour was a great player that made the entire team better defensively, offensively, and leadership wise.

Kessel is a very good scorer, he has yet to reach that level. He hasn't shown the ability to carry a franchise as Gilmour did, as Sundin did. Maybe he's not capable of this, he certainly has tried. He said as much in an interview 2 seasons ago saying it isn't working out here, obcourse he said he meant something different, but clearly he is frustrated. He wants to win, not happening here this year.
Or maybe, you know, he actually meant something different?

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At times Kessel has frustrated me, but I never thought he shouldn't be apart of our future. Kessel-Lupul combo has been great, but there downfall is defence... as deadly as they are together I wouldn't be against splitting them up for a better overall line. When or if we ever get a number 1 C, Kessel will be so valuable. Put Kessel with a strong defensive play making centre and another solid power forward on the left and that could be a very dominant line.


JVR - Getzlaf - Kessel
Lupul - Grabo - kulemin

pretty crazy how much potent that top 6 could be with one player

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01-16-2013, 10:36 PM
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Steven Stamkos is #1 followed closely by Ovi. After that it gets interesting. I'd probably put Kessel lower than Sid, Malkin, Kovy, and Gaborik, but above guys like Marleau, Sedin, and potentially Iggy. Oh and over Eberle everyday of the week. So maybe the #7 one-shot scorer in the league?
Hence the arguably part.

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Why would that be any different? Why would John Tavarez want to stick around for another five years in Long Island? If Edmonton is bottom three again this year, why would Eberle, Hall, RNH wanna stick around? How could you respect them if they did?
Oilers are a young team, none of those guys have been apart of a losing culture as long as Kessel in Toronto. Plus Oilers have a good amount of young talent by tanking so they are growing together. Kessel is older than Rielly, Percy, Biggs and whoever we draft this year, this is the difference. He's nearing 27 and he doesn't have the time of a RNH, Hall or Yakupov to grow and wait out another rebuild.

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01-16-2013, 10:38 PM
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Or maybe, you know, he actually meant something different?
Most know what he meant exactly, not everything can be explained away so easily. Or by turning one's head to pretend you didn't know he was frustrated and in a moment of weakness wanted out.

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01-16-2013, 10:39 PM
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Hence the arguably part.
Relax dude I wasn't attacking anyone; just sharing my opinion. Feel free to chip in your rankings

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01-16-2013, 10:41 PM
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Oilers are a young team, none of those guys have been apart of a losing culture as long as Kessel in Toronto. Plus Oilers have a good amount of young talent by tanking so they are growing together. Kessel is older than Rielly, Percy, Biggs and whoever we draft this year, this is the difference. He's nearing 27 and he doesn't have the time of a RNH, Hall or Yakupov to grow and wait out another rebuild.
Who's nearing 27? He's 25.
I guess if they're younger you'll respect them more for wanting to play for a lousy team eh?

And yes, I get the fact that Edmonton is 'young' while Toronto is obviously a veteran land team.

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01-16-2013, 10:42 PM
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Who's nearing 27? He's 25.
I guess if they're younger you'll respect them more for wanting to play for a lousy team eh?

And yes, I get the fact that Edmonton is 'young' while Toronto is obviously a veteran land team.
He's a UFA next year, that is not a lot of time. Maybe when Tavares gets to the point of Nash, then Kessel, he will bolt too. And if the Oilers don't turn it around too, it will happen to their players too.

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01-16-2013, 10:47 PM
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He's a UFA next year, that is not a lot of time. Maybe when Tavares gets to the point of Nash, then Kessel, he will bolt too. And if the Oilers don't turn it around too, it will happen to their players too.
Thought Grabo was your archnemesis? You made your choice, leave Kessel be. He already stated he is happy here.

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01-16-2013, 11:10 PM
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He's a UFA next year, that is not a lot of time. Maybe when Tavares gets to the point of Nash, then Kessel, he will bolt too. And if the Oilers don't turn it around too, it will happen to their players too.
Well, Tavares has already shown he has no interest in winning by signing that long term deal with the Isles. No compete at all in that guy...

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01-16-2013, 11:12 PM
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Relax dude I wasn't attacking anyone; just sharing my opinion. Feel free to chip in your rankings
No worries, didn't mean to come off so harsh.

In my ranks, the only pure sniper ahead of Kessel is Stammer. There are better players for sure, but for pure snipes, that's where I put him.

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Nope... I don;t know how a young all star goal scorer would fit into the long-term future of a team wanting to build now with good young talent... nope, I don't see it.

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01-16-2013, 11:16 PM
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Well, Tavares has already shown he has no interest in winning by signing that long term deal with the Isles. No compete at all in that guy...
If I remember correctly and I will check back after I go to cap geek, it was a contract to the age of 27-28, exactly the UFA age. I think you are missing this point with Nash, Kessel, and maybe Tavares.

Players have no choice until they hit 27 or the UFA stage on what team they are on, unless the parent team trades them.

Perry and Getzlaf can leave now if they don't like the direction of the team, comparing young players is not accurate, because they have no choice unless they pull a Kessel, but the team can still match. As Stamkos found out last year.

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Tavares is signed till the 17-18 season as per cap geek, as suspected he is a UFA at 28. Free to leave the NY Isles if he chooses to.

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Well, Tavares has already shown he has no interest in winning by signing that long term deal with the Isles. No compete at all in that guy...
That's because he basically has to.

Restricted free agency and unrestricted free agency are no where near the same thing.

Please read up on the CBA.

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01-16-2013, 11:26 PM
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I think the fans like/love Phil, and want him to stay in Toronto. It seems the only people who question him or want him traded are the "know-it-all" hocky "experts?" on the radio and tv. Kessel is a top 5 goal scorer in the NHL, and a top 10 point producer. He can't necessarily carry a team on his back,...but once Toronto start accumulating more elite players,...his value will show even more.

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I think the fans like/love Phil, and want him to stay in Toronto. It seems the only people who question him or want him traded are the "know-it-all" hocky "experts?" on the radio and tv. Kessel is a top 5 goal scorer in the NHL, and a top 10 point producer. He can't necessarily carry a team on his back,...but once Toronto start accumulating more elite players,...his value will show even more.
It's been years since Kessel was acquired.

No help has arrived.

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01-16-2013, 11:33 PM
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It's been years since Kessel was acquired.

No help has arrived.
Lupul, JVR , Dion, Gardiner.

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Lupul, JVR , Dion, Gardiner.
And the Leafs finished 5th last with them.

Where's that #1 center we've been looking for since 2007 (6 years ago)?

No where in sight.

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It's been years since Kessel was acquired.

No help has arrived.
Agree 100%. That's been a terrible mistake by the leaf brass.

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Yes. Our plans are pretty much built around him. Now if only we could find him a playmaking centre....

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Tavares is signed till the 17-18 season as per cap geek, as suspected he is a UFA at 28. Free to leave the NY Isles if he chooses to.
Get it done Nonis!

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Lupul, JVR , Dion, Gardiner.
Lupul and Kessel were both in top ten scoring for much of last year. JVR,.....who know's how he is going to play, considering his injuries. And Gardiner is injured. Soon as the leafs acquired Kessel,...I was hoping they could get Marc Savard too. Maybe he wouldn't have gotten the concussion problems he did,...playing in Toronto. That would have been lights out,....because on a massively defensive team like Julien's Bruins,...Savard (and I think Kessel) were in the top 5 and 10 in points in the NHL, whil playing in Boston, respectively.

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Steven Stamkos is #1 followed closely by Ovi. After that it gets interesting. I'd probably put Kessel lower than Sid, Malkin, Kovy, and Gaborik, but above guys like Marleau, Sedin, and potentially Iggy. Oh and over Eberle everyday of the week. So maybe the #7 one-shot scorer in the league?
I think of Sid, Malkin as playmakers (but obviously they can score). Kovy is probably better. In a sense of a "pure sniper", probably a toss between Kessel and Gaborik.

Stam, Ovie, Kovy, Kessel/Gab. Pretty elite group of players at a young age.

Worth of kessel is equal to Seguin, Hall, Eberle, Murry, Skinner, Duchene, Fowler, Couts, Huberdeau, Landeskog contrary to the belief that he's "worthless" in leaf land.


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Worth of kessel is equal to Seguin, Hall, Eberle, Murry, Skinner, Duchene, Fowler, Couts, Huberdeau, Landeskog contrary to the belief that he's "worthless" in leaf land.
You think we could get Tyler Seguin, Taylor Hall, Jeff Skinner, Sean Couturier, or Gabriel Landeskog 1-for-1 for Phil Kessel?

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