I was at the game on Monday. I will say that he didn't look 100% healthy IMO. He was constantly testing his left knee/leg. It might just be something minor though. I know they are calling it a healthy scratch, I'm just stating what I saw.
That Goligoski/Neal trade looked bad went it happened and it looks even worse now.
Lets not give the Stars a re-do on that one and trade O'Reilly for Liles 2.0. Even though we need a PMD, I wouldn't want the Avs to take on that contract.
That Goligoski/Neal trade looked bad went it happened and it looks even worse now.
Lets not give the Stars a re-do on that one and trade O'Reilly for Liles 2.0. Even though we need a PMD, I wouldn't want the Avs to take on that contract.
I'd take him, but definitely not at the expense of O'Reilly. There are other defenders I'd rather go after if we're trading O'Reilly, even if we need to add. It'd be great if we could get him for a mid pick, mid prospect, or roster player swap, but I'm guessing the price wouldn't be that low.
So Devils just acquired Andrei Loktionov for a 5th round pick... I would have gladly given up a 4th for him... Now that would have put a bit of extra pressure on RoR's camp.
Yeah he's someone who I'd have taken a flier on, but maybe not for a 4th. We got Winnik for a 4th, and Winnik > Lotkionov.
I wouldn't mind Goose at all, but not at the expense of any of our centers. I have no idea what Dallas needs or wants or value, but I'd look at trading Barrie/Elliot + (the plus might have to be fairly significant) for Goose. If Barrie develops properly I see him topping out around where Goligoski is now, but it give EJ a player that can move the puck on his pairing. An EJ Goligoski pairing could log 22-24 minutes a night pretty easily.
I can't imagine them giving him up for anything we'd want to part with.
I agree unless he continues to be bad and they trade him this summer. If he has another subpar season his salary will be too much for what he brings and maybe he could be had cheaply.
I'd take him, but definitely not at the expense of O'Reilly. There are other defenders I'd rather go after if we're trading O'Reilly, even if we need to add. It'd be great if we could get him for a mid pick, mid prospect, or roster player swap, but I'm guessing the price wouldn't be that low.
All fans tend to overreact so it's probably not best to take their opinions too seriously but Stars fans say he has been terrible. According to a couple of them, he was pretty bad last season as well. He's also making $4.6M/yr for the next three years.
Personally I would stay away but something significant would need to be coming back with Goligoski if O'Reilly is going the other way.
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I wouldn't mind Goose at all, but not at the expense of any of our centers. I have no idea what Dallas needs or wants or value, but I'd look at trading Barrie/Elliot + (the plus might have to be fairly significant) for Goose. If Barrie develops properly I see him topping out around where Goligoski is now, but it give EJ a player that can move the puck on his pairing. An EJ Goligoski pairing could log 22-24 minutes a night pretty easily.
That's interesting because Stars fans say one of the biggest problems with Goligoski is that he isn't a top pairing defenseman but the Stars have been playing him there and he's really getting exposed. I guess if you look at it that way, he might be a perfect fit with us because we're used to seeing players playing way too much and being put in a position to fail.
He's Liles 2.0 and sadly, he's even more overpaid than Liles.
That's interesting because Stars fans say one of the biggest problems with Goligoski is that he isn't a top pairing defenseman but the Stars have been playing him there and he's really getting exposed. I guess if you look at it that way, he might be a perfect fit with us because we're used to seeing players playing way too much and being put in a position to fail.
He's Liles 2.0 and sadly, he's even more overpaid than Liles.
Goligoski is pretty much in the same position as EJ, a good defensemen without a decent partner. He will NEVER be the type to carry a pairing (which is what he is being asked to do), but when he is with somebody good he will play pretty well. When he was in Pittsburgh he could easily log ~20-21 minutes. The biggest problem is that he is a #3 being played as a #1 in Dallas. Here he would be overplayed, but EJ is a better partner than he has has for at least a few years. EJ would be able to mask his shortcomings better than anybody Dallas has.
I don't disagree on the Liles statement, he is a just a younger version. I'd just hope that Goose-EJ could be like the Liles-Blake pairing.
Goligoski is pretty much in the same position as EJ, a good defensemen without a decent partner. He will NEVER be the type to carry a pairing (which is what he is being asked to do), but when he is with somebody good he will play pretty well. When he was in Pittsburgh he could easily log ~20-21 minutes. The biggest problem is that he is a #3 being played as a #1 in Dallas. Here he would be overplayed, but EJ is a better partner than he has has for at least a few years. EJ would be able to mask his shortcomings better than anybody Dallas has.
I don't disagree on the Liles statement, he is a just a younger version. I'd just hope that Goose-EJ could be like the Liles-Blake pairing.
I've never been a big fan of his but he wasn't bad with the Pens and I don't doubt that he could be better playing with someone like EJ. However, if EJ has to mask his shortcomings, is it really worth it? Is that the type of guy the Avs should not only give up good assets for but also pay $4.6M/yr?
I think we need a defenseman who could take some pressure off EJ and help him rather than putting more pressure on him and making him do more out there. I don't know who would be available but there must be someone better than Goligoski if the Avs are willing to pay that much.
I've never been a big fan of his but he wasn't bad with the Pens and I don't doubt that he could be better playing with someone like EJ. However, if EJ has to mask his shortcomings, is it really worth it? Is that the type of guy the Avs should not only give up good assets for but also pay $4.6M/yr?
I think we need a defenseman who could take some pressure off EJ and help him rather than putting more pressure on him and making him do more out there. I don't know who would be available but there must be someone better than Goligoski if the Avs are willing to pay that much.
In relative terms EJ would be getting a ton of pressure off of him compared to what he has to deal with now. Goligoski would be the best defensemen on the team sans EJ, especially when you consider the lack of PMD on this team. No doubt there are better options out there, but for the right price Goose would be worth bringing in.
Any good defenseman UFAs next off-season? But seeing how much Carle etc got.. It's probably not wise way to acquire players. It's gonna be very expensive.
Since I'm extremely bored tonight I dreamed up a fictional example of how the Avs could theoretically improve the team in the offseason. Obviously not even 1% likely that this happens but it's just a hypothetical product of my free time.
Sign ROR
Trade Stastny for Phaneuf (or other similar flawed but minute eating dman)
Let Kobasew walk (I like what he brings on the 4th line but feel like we'll probably let him go)
Hejduk retires
Sign Ladi Smid to a 5 or 6 year deal (would have to overpay as well)
Draft Barkov (since I think we could very well finish with a 3-7 pick)
Sign Eric Nystrom to a 2 year deal
Sign another bottom 6er like Chris Higgins to a short term deal
Dump SOB and another dman for whatever you can get or waive them
Phaneuf - EJ
Smid - Elliott/Barrie
Hejda - Wilson
one of Zanon/SOB/Hunwick as 7th
Start Sgarbossa, one of Elliott/Barrie in the AHL again, call up in event of inevitable injury.
Now obviously its almost a certainty that none of these moves will be made, let alone all of them - it's just an example of a few moves that could go a long way to improving the team. I see it more as evidence that over the next two seasons we can make different/more suitable/better additions in a similar type of mould/strategy that will get this roster going in the right direction.
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Any good defenseman UFAs next off-season? But seeing how much Carle etc got.. It's probably not wise way to acquire players. It's gonna be very expensive.
Any good defenseman UFAs next off-season? But seeing how much Carle etc got.. It's probably not wise way to acquire players. It's gonna be very expensive.
I'd say Mark Streit would be worth a look. Apart from that Whitney will likely be hitting the open market, but obviously he'd be a pretty big gamble. Beyond that, there's a lot of guys (Zidlicky, Bergeron, Corvo, Hamrlik) that I'd just as soon they not sign.
Oh, there is Ron "Hollywood" Hainsey. Not so sure I'd want him as I think he's horribly overpaid at present, but if Winnipeg lets him walk, I think he could be a decent compliment to EJ for the right price.
Yeah...it'll be expensive. But if Sherman's as good an accountant as he's supposed to be, he'll manage the Avs cap space well and not get us in the same rut as Giguere did. Of course, Sherman was the cap guy under Giguere, so look out.
I'd say Mark Streit would be worth a look. Apart from that Whitney will likely be hitting the open market, but obviously he'd be a pretty big gamble. Beyond that, there's a lot of guys (Zidlicky, Bergeron, Corvo, Hamrlik) that I'd just as soon they not sign.
Oh, there is Ron "Hollywood" Hainsey. Not so sure I'd want him as I think he's horribly overpaid at present, but if Winnipeg lets him walk, I think he could be a decent compliment to EJ for the right price.
Yeah...it'll be expensive. But if Sherman's as good an accountant as he's supposed to be, he'll manage the Avs cap space well and not get us in the same rut as Giguere did. Of course, Sherman was the cap guy under Giguere, so look out.
I'd like them to go after Smid. He's capable of playing top pairing minutes, and is a considerably better skater than any of our Defensive D's. He could really open up EJ for a more roaming role.
I'd like them to go after Smid. He's capable of playing top pairing minutes, and is a considerably better skater than any of our Defensive D's. He could really open up EJ for a more roaming role.
Personally I think EJ should be paired with a puckmover--he's better playing an all-around game than he is trying to be Rob Blake. Just my opinion.
As far as Smid, I think if he hits the open market someone will overpay severely. He's good, but I fear he'll get Volchenkov money.
I knew the free agent list was bad but I didn't know it was this bad. Wow. After seeing the names being brought up, it just makes it more obvious that Sherman will have to make a trade if he wants to improve the defense. Especially if he wants to find a better partner for EJ.
Personally I think EJ should be paired with a puckmover--he's better playing an all-around game than he is trying to be Rob Blake. Just my opinion.
As far as Smid, I think if he hits the open market someone will overpay severely. He's good, but I fear he'll get Volchenkov money.
I would be willing to overpay him. He's would be able to anchor a pairing for us for the next 5-6 years. Unfortunately I don't see him leaving Edmonton however, he loves it there.
But I agree EJ would be better off with an offensive guy.
Since I'm extremely bored tonight I dreamed up a fictional example of how the Avs could theoretically improve the team in the offseason. Obviously not even 1% likely that this happens but it's just a hypothetical product of my free time.
Sign ROR Trade Stastny for Phaneuf (or other similar flawed but minute eating dman)
Let Kobasew walk (I like what he brings on the 4th line but feel like we'll probably let him go)
Hejduk retires
Sign Ladi Smid to a 5 or 6 year deal (would have to overpay as well)
Draft Barkov (since I think we could very well finish with a 3-7 pick)
Sign Eric Nystrom to a 2 year deal
Sign another bottom 6er like Chris Higgins to a short term deal
Dump SOB and another dman for whatever you can get or waive them
Phaneuf - EJ
Smid - Elliott/Barrie
Hejda - Wilson
one of Zanon/SOB/Hunwick as 7th
Start Sgarbossa, one of Elliott/Barrie in the AHL again, call up in event of inevitable injury.
Now obviously its almost a certainty that none of these moves will be made, let alone all of them - it's just an example of a few moves that could go a long way to improving the team. I see it more as evidence that over the next two seasons we can make different/more suitable/better additions in a similar type of mould/strategy that will get this roster going in the right direction.
Smid, Streit. But yes, it'll be expensive.
Stopped reading there. Phaneuf is an arrogant caveman.
