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01-17-2013, 01:14 PM
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Quite a testament to the futility of the Burke era eh. If Burke had gone to full-rebuild mode in 2008 the Leafs could probably have accumulated 10 or so top-five picks or equivalent prospects. Now the Leafs may be too good to tank but too bad to make the playoffs...
Considering Burke got here in 2008 and his first draft was 2009, I doubt it.

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01-17-2013, 01:22 PM
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Then why is he still a Canuck?
because nobody has matched Gillis' high expectations and more importantly (I heard this in another thread and it kind of stuck with me). All goalies have the same # of wins, same save %, and all teams are essentially in first place. Once people see how this season goes, we may not see much interest for Luongo and might be forced to sell him for less than we want, or a goalie that was supposed to preform this year falters and someone becomes desprate. I am willing to take a chance on waiting because obviously there are no substantial offers on the table, and keeping Luongo for a run this year is worth risking a worse return later.

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01-17-2013, 01:24 PM
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Quite a testament to the futility of the Burke era eh. If Burke had gone to full-rebuild mode in 2008 the Leafs could probably have accumulated 10 or so top-five picks or equivalent prospects. Now the Leafs may be too good to tank but too bad to make the playoffs...
The notion that they will be a top 5 lottery team is odd to me. They had a monumental collapse last year, but prior to that, they were playoff bound and they still were only fifth last. Axing LAC and inserting JVR, Kadri and Frattin into the lineup improves them. Kulemin should get back to 20 goals, prorated. Gardiner and Gunnarson have more experience now. Reimer is the biggest question mark. I could see Scrivens take over through the season, but they will split the season heavily, as will most teams' goalies with this compressed schedule. All it would have taken was 6 more wins last year to make the playoffs.

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Pure leaf fans, Question: If scrivens and reimer **** the bed to start the season (Let's say 3-7), Would you guys FINALLY give up something for luongo?, While there is hope still that the playoffs can be made. Curious

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01-17-2013, 01:34 PM
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Pure leaf fans, Question: If scrivens and reimer **** the bed to start the season (Let's say 3-7), Would you guys FINALLY give up something for luongo?, While there is hope still that the playoffs can be made. Curious
No. Price is too high.

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Pure leaf fans, Question: If scrivens and reimer **** the bed to start the season (Let's say 3-7), Would you guys FINALLY give up something for luongo?, While there is hope still that the playoffs can be made. Curious
If by something you mean Gardiner/Reilly or our 1st...nope. Furthermore, if 20% of the season is gone and we have 6 points....no sense.

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01-17-2013, 01:35 PM
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No. Price is too high.
seth jones seth jones... SETH JONES!! SETH JONES! SETH JONES! SETH JONES! SETH JONES!

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LOL...they don't want to sell the farm for our goalie so they must WANT TO LOSE!!!!

OR...maybe we just don't want to sell the farm for your 33 year old goalie.

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Well Khadri a 1st and what? Komsierik isn't needed. Hmmm I'm not sure.

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LOL...they don't want to sell the farm for our goalie so they must WANT TO LOSE!!!!

OR...maybe we just don't want to sell the farm for your 33 year old goalie.
Nah, if I bombed like the OP said I would just bomb for Mackinnon or Jones tbh.

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01-17-2013, 01:41 PM
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Pure leaf fans, Question: If scrivens and reimer **** the bed to start the season (Let's say 3-7), Would you guys FINALLY give up something for luongo?, While there is hope still that the playoffs can be made. Curious
I think we are looking at a rebuilding year playing youth so Luongo is not making much sense for us right now. He would make more sense next year if he is still available.

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01-17-2013, 01:42 PM
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Luongo is not getting traded because Gillis refuses to admit what his actual worth to another team really is.

If he did, we would have traded him for another aging star player with a big contract. Thats what he is worth.

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01-17-2013, 01:43 PM
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Still believe that Gillis is in the worst bargaining position possible. Even the Canucks fans sound so desperate in their posts. They get sooooo defensive when anyone denies a Luongo deal makes any sense for the Leafs.

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Pure leaf fans, Question: If scrivens and reimer **** the bed to start the season (Let's say 3-7), Would you guys FINALLY give up something for luongo?, While there is hope still that the playoffs can be made. Curious
It's a win win really. If we win great, if not then this is the year to tank for top 5 pick.

Who knows how ownership/management will feel but as a fan how could you be mad about adding another blue chip prospect? Again the idea would be to win but definitely it wouldn't make or I should say SHOULDN'T make us give our young core away for soon to be 34 year old.

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Still believe that Gillis is in the worst bargaining position possible. Even the Canucks fans sound so desperate in their posts. They get sooooo defensive when anyone denies a Luongo deal makes any sense for the Leafs.
Maybe because it has to make sense for both sides?

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01-17-2013, 01:46 PM
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Still believe that Gillis is in the worst bargaining position possible. Even the Canucks fans sound so desperate in their posts. They get sooooo defensive when anyone denies a Luongo deal makes any sense for the Leafs.
Luongo does make sense for the leafs. TOTAL sense.

Luongo make sense for a many teams.

Gillis' asking price makes NO SENSE to the Leafs.

Gillis' asking price makes NO SENSE to any team so far and wont anytime soon either.

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01-17-2013, 01:47 PM
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I thinkn vancouver is in a great position to all star goalies and a short season....it would suck to be rebuilding almost for 45 years.

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Still believe that Gillis is in the worst bargaining position possible. Even the Canucks fans sound so desperate in their posts. They get sooooo defensive when anyone denies a Luongo deal makes any sense for the Leafs.
Absolutely. A team with two great goalies is always in a worse position than a team with amongst the worst goaltending in the league. Makes me long for the Dan Cloutier days when we too were in a string bargaining position like the Leafs.

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Q: Do you see Toronto pulling off a deal with the Canucks for Luongo? They don't seem to have any forwards to spare.

A: I believe that's the asking price or at least a portion of it, Kadri / Bozak / 2nd, and can Toronto afford to pay that? No. I believe Toronto is hoping that it gets to a point where it gets uncomfortable for Luongo and he starts applying pressure on management to trade him, I don't think that's likely going to happen.

When you're playing this game of Poker that's what you're hoping for. Do I believe there are more teams in the mix other than the Toronto Maple Leafs? Yes. I also believe Mike when he says there are as many as 5 teams interested. I don't believe there is a team that is more interested than the Leafs.

At some point either talks are going to break down because Reimer / Scrivens are playing well enough or Mike Gillis and the Vancouver Canucks NEED Roberto Luongo, when you have only a 48 game season you can't afford a slip. That's why Mike Gillis is going to wait and protect until an offer makes sense.

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It's a win win really. If we win great, if not then this is the year to tank for top 5 pick.

Who knows how ownership/management will feel but as a fan how could you be mad about adding another blue chip prospect? Again the idea would be to win but definitely it wouldn't make or I should say SHOULDN'T make us give our young core away for soon to be 34 year old.
There is very little realistic chance of winning with Scrivens/Reimer.

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01-17-2013, 01:50 PM
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Maybe because it has to make sense for both sides?
For the price Gillis is asking, not 1 Leaf fan on this board have I seen say they would give up Gardiner, Rielly or a 1st. It's irrational at this point to even debate a trade involving any of those players. It's not even a bargaining tool, it's just idiotic. To me Gillis sounds like he is going to stand pat if the Leafs don't trade one of them, which I think will never happen, hence Luongo will never be a Leaf.

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No deal with the Leafs. Why is everybody on here trying to convince these fans that they need Luongo? Who gives a ***** if they flop and miss the PO's again. Do we really even want Gardiner? The guy is a walking concussion. Kadri and Bozak are disgustingly average.

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Luongo does make sense for the leafs. TOTAL sense.

Luongo make sense for a many teams.

Gillis' asking price makes NO SENSE to the Leafs.

Gillis' asking price makes NO SENSE to any team so far and wont anytime soon either.
Yeah I was pretty vague, I agree with this though.

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I posted this on the philly/van proposal thread but I think it also fits in here...


If Bryz isnis a failure this season...I could see a trade made where:


Philly: Luongo

Vanc: Bryz, $$$, plus picks young players

I dont know the difference between the contracts to both players I think Bryz>Luongo....but the deal is worked out where the goalie contracts are the same dollars by giving the one side cash.

For this Vancouver gets maybe a 3rd and a young second level player.

I know Vancouver would want to make a trade where Lu is entirely off their books. That may bot happen because they may be looking at the value of the player too much and not the contract he has.

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Still believe that Gillis is in the worst bargaining position possible. Even the Canucks fans sound so desperate in their posts. They get sooooo defensive when anyone denies a Luongo deal makes any sense for the Leafs.
You must exercise your imagination more. Surely there must be a scenario where Gillis would be in a worse bargaining position.

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