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Sorry, but Iginla is by far the best player in that deal... by far... so far that it's not even close.
Paul Martin is something the Flames have an abundance of... a quality young defenceman. Langenbrunner is a dime a dozen 2nd/3rd line player. Zach Parise hasn't accomplished a thing at the NHL level.
Elias and Parise is a lot closer to the fair value for Iginla, who took a bad team in Calgary (and that's what they are without him), to the Stanley Cup finals, and quite frankly is the only reason they haven't had a similar record to Washington or Pittsburgh over the past 3-4 years.
Funny how every player NJ offers seems to be dismissed or downplayed by yourself, I can do the opposite.
Calgary offers a good first line player who is a RFA and will turn into a UFA once the Devils can't qualify him, if they do qualify him they will have a player that makes 7-8 million in the new NHL system.
New Jersey offers a top 10 prospect in the world who has a WJC MVP, AHL allstar appearence under his belt, is second in rookie scoring in the AHL and was a Hobey Baker finalist. They also give up a main cog in Minnesota's back to back NCAA championships who was picked for the young guns game, played for Team USA at the World Cup all in his first pro season. The last part of the deal New Jersey gives up a player who has racked 57 points in 103 playoff games with 26 of those points being goals. He won two cups and went to the finals 3 times. 10 of those 26 goals are game winners. BTW, Langenbrunner is also only 29 years of age.
Funny how every player NJ offers seems to be dismissed or downplayed by yourself, I can do the opposite.
Calgary offers a good first line player who is a RFA and will turn into a UFA once the Devils can't qualify him, if they do qualify him they will have a player that makes 7-8 million in the new NHL system.
New Jersey offers a top 10 prospect in the world who has a WJC MVP, AHL allstar appearence under his belt, is second in rookie scoring in the AHL and was a Hobey Baker finalist. They also give up a main cog in Minnesota's back to back NCAA championships who was picked for the young guns game, played for Team USA at the World Cup all in his first pro season. The last part of the deal New Jersey gives up a player who has racked 57 points in 103 playoff games with 26 of those points being goals. He won two cups and went to the finals 3 times. 10 of those 26 goals are game winners. BTW, Langenbrunner is also only 29 years of age.
you realize the person hyping the Flames players is an Oiler fan? I think we'll all admit that the three parts of the Devils package are useful...but I hope you can understand the importance of Iginla to the Flames lineup.
Iginla,Phaneuf and Kobasew for Elias,Langenbrunner and Martin? :lol
You do realize, that the premise of my deal is extremely sarcastic, as you laugh at my post, that's the exact thing that I did when I read the Flames fans say they were getting hosed.
I think Iginla is more then just a "good" first line player.
I am only proving a point. Calgary fans are allowed to call our players offered spare parts, when it is hardly the case but when you call Iginla a good 1st liner they lose it. Its quite funny actually.
I'm waiting for him to say Elias is better than Iginla.
and you think the difference is that much? Elias basicly produces the same as Iginla, Elias brings more defense while Iginla brings a physical game an better leadership to the game. Because Iginla went deep in the playoffs (something Elias has done three times with two cups) and Iginla was on the Olympic team and World Cup winning team people think the guy is a god....Iginla is a great player but no god.
I will state this now, I do think Iginla is better then Elias but Elias works for New Jersey and those who think Iginla is much better, to the point Parise needs to be included in a swap, need to wake up. Elias is second alltime in OT goals, two 80+ point seasons, an Olympic Gold, 2 Stanley cups and has led New Jersey in points for 5 consecutive years. He should get over 100 playoff points within 2 or 3 more playoffs. The guy is only 28 years old.
While I think Iginla is a better player than Elias, I don't think he is a significant upgrade to where we'd include Parise given our lack of prospect depth.
Iginla: 27 years old, last 5 seasons: 370 points in 392 games.
Elias: 28 years old, last 5 seasons: 367 points in 392 games.
Good point - Iginla's contributions should only be measured in terms of offensive statistics. He' really good for putting up a few points and not much else.
Good point - Iginla's contributions should only be measured in terms of offensive statistics. He' really good for putting up a few points and not much else.
Have you watched Elias play?
Yes, Iggy brings more than just offense. He's a leader and brings a physical style of play to the table.
But Elias also brings more. He's great defensively for an offensive forward and has been very good in the post season and has tons of experience.
Now I would take Iginla over Elias but only by a touch. IMO Elias is highly underrated at times. And certainly the difference is not that of Parise (more like a 2nd round pick if anything IMO)
and you think the difference is that much? Elias basicly produces the same as Iginla, Elias brings more defense while Iginla brings a physical game an better leadership to the game. Because Iginla went deep in the playoffs (something Elias has done three times with two cups) and Iginla was on the Olympic team and World Cup winning team people think the guy is a god....Iginla is a great player but no god.
I will state this now, I do think Iginla is better then Elias but Elias works for New Jersey and those who think Iginla is much better, to the point Parise needs to be included in a swap, need to wake up. Elias is second alltime in OT goals, two 80+ point seasons, an Olympic Gold, 2 Stanley cups and has led New Jersey in points for 5 consecutive years. He should get over 100 playoff points within 2 or 3 more playoffs. The guy is only 28 years old.
I could easily argue that Iginla is JUST AS defensively responsible as Elias. I mean Iginla is used in all key situations, such as a 1 goal lead with 30 seconds left in the game. Iginla defense has really improved over the last 3 years. This is evident with Iginla getting more confidence from the coaches on the PK. His PK time has gone up every year because he has become defensively more responsible. I mean Iginla received more PK time then Elias. I think the difference in defense is so small, that its irrelevent.
I could easily argue that Iginla is JUST AS defensively responsible as Elias. I mean Iginla is used in all key situations, such as a 1 goal lead with 30 seconds left in the game. Iginla defense has really improved over the last 3 years. This is evident with Iginla getting more confidence from the coaches on the PK. His PK time has gone up every year because he has become defensively more responsible. I mean Iginla received more PK time then Elias. I think the difference in defense is so small, that its irrelevent.
Iginla's defense is not up to the level of Elias's, you can argue all you want about Iginla being used in key situations late in the game.....hell Gretzky was used in late situations because he can control the puck, not because he was great defensivly. Gretzky was also used in the PK. Iginla only gets more PK time because NJ has a first unit of Madden and Pandolfo.
You will allways change facts to use them in your own argument. Just because a player is used on the PK unit doesn't mean they are great defensivly. Elias is considered one of the better two way forwards in the league, Iginla is not. There is a reason for that.
I woudl say right now Iginla is top 3 for OVERALL best forward. Yes, there are guys more offensively skilled, guys with a more power game but Iginla is a top 3 complete package player right now.
Iginla's defense is not up to the level of Elias's, .
Its not as far back as you'd wish it to be, I can tell you that much. Iginla's defensive game is top notch, it is the reason why in big international competitions (Olympics, World Cup) and in the NHL he is out there on the PK, the guy is very good at it.
Iginla's defense is not up to the level of Elias's, you can argue all you want about Iginla being used in key situations late in the game.....hell Gretzky was used in late situations because he can control the puck, not because he was great defensivly. Gretzky was also used in the PK. Iginla only gets more PK time because NJ has a first unit of Madden and Pandolfo.
You will allways change facts to use them in your own argument. Just because a player is used on the PK unit doesn't mean they are great defensivly. Elias is considered one of the better two way forwards in the league, Iginla is not. There is a reason for that.
You are very dullusional if you don't consider Iginla a great 2 way forward. He is used on the PK for the FLames, in international competitions etc. Once again, the difference in defense is extremely marginal.
He's one of the best players on the planet.
