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01-18-2013, 04:35 PM
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It certainly seemed to me like something that was decided based on off-ice stuff. AV stressed several times that would be a consideration and only had positive things to say about Schroeder over the past 2 days. Gillis and company are the ones that figure out the cap and roster stuff, not AV.

And I'll ask again (not you, but others who attack AV), why was Schroeder still in Vancouver at 1pm when he could be flying back to Chicago early in the morning to play in their game today. Just to make him miss that game?
I wasn't one of the ones who attacked AV but I assume that Schroeder was kept because it was a difficult decision for managment. The point of my earlier post was that the odds were stacked against Schroeder based on the numbers game and who was eligible for waivers. I also think that the shortened pre-season and season works against rookie players. I suspect that many teams will stay with what they had last year. That said, I hope that he gets called back up soon.

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It certainly seemed to me like something that was decided based on off-ice stuff. AV stressed several times that would be a consideration and only had positive things to say about Schroeder over the past 2 days. Gillis and company are the ones that figure out the cap and roster stuff, not AV.
Yes, hence why I believe he will be back full-time with the team once they iron out all the tidbits of the legal and financial side of things. It seemed to me like a strict business move and not a hockey move. In the two scrimmages, and especially the last one Schroeder looked every bit as good as Hodgson did last year.

And to ask outright, you believe Schroder is a full-time roster player some point this year?

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There's a lot of overreaction going on here.

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where does it say schroeder was sent down? i cant find it anywhere. is this official?

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It's simple: there's no risk of losing Shroeder by sending him down now. If they had sent Ebbett down, he probably wouldn't have reached Chicago except on a visiting team. Keeping Ebbett up is the only way to ensure he stays in the system while teams are filling roster holes.

Once rosters are set, sending Ebbett becomes less of a risk, and the team doesn't want to lose him now because they will need him later in the season.

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01-18-2013, 04:41 PM
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Disappointed because I have a ticket for tomorrows game and was really hoping to see Shroeder play for the first time

Guess that will have to wait a bit

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And to ask outright, you believe Schroder is a full-time roster player some point this year?
I think he's capable of it. Maybe he only gets 10 or 15 games if they prefer to go with experience when Kesler is back, but either way he will get some games at the very least.

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It's simple: there's no risk of losing Shroeder by sending him down now. If they had sent Ebbett down, he probably wouldn't have reached Chicago except on a visiting team. Keeping Ebbett up is the only way to ensure he stays in the system while teams are filling roster holes.

Once rosters are set, sending Ebbett becomes less of a risk, and the team doesn't want to lose him now because they will need him later in the season.
i sure hope not!

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If Ebbett is seriously going to center our second line then this team is ****ed.
so ****ed.

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It's simple: there's no risk of losing Shroeder by sending him down now. If they had sent Ebbett down, he probably wouldn't have reached Chicago except on a visiting team. Keeping Ebbett up is the only way to ensure he stays in the system while teams are filling roster holes.

Once rosters are set, sending Ebbett becomes less of a risk, and the team doesn't want to lose him now because they will need him later in the season.
Don't think Ebbett vs Schroeder should be the issue here. Issue is they have 3 extra defensemen (+ Connauton in AHL) and 0 extra forwards.

They are essentially making the team worse (not saying Schroeder would outperform Ebbett but more competition and variation is never a bad thing) because they think it's a good idea to sit 3 barely NHL level defensemen in the press box, who won't see any ice time unless there's an injury.

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It's simple: there's no risk of losing Shroeder by sending him down now. If they had sent Ebbett down, he probably wouldn't have reached Chicago except on a visiting team. Keeping Ebbett up is the only way to ensure he stays in the system while teams are filling roster holes.

Once rosters are set, sending Ebbett becomes less of a risk, and the team doesn't want to lose him now because they will need him later in the season.
It didn't have to be about sending Ebbett down, they could have sent Barker or Vandermeer down.

In the end, this isn't a big deal right now...but it doesn't really send a good message if Schroeder is in Chicago for any real amount of time over Ebbett.

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It's simple: there's no risk of losing Shroeder by sending him down now. If they had sent Ebbett down, he probably wouldn't have reached Chicago except on a visiting team. Keeping Ebbett up is the only way to ensure he stays in the system while teams are filling roster holes.

Once rosters are set, sending Ebbett becomes less of a risk, and the team doesn't want to lose him now because they will need him later in the season.
Ebbett couldn't be sent down without going through waivers again, so the Canucks could re-claim him. He wouldn't be on a visiting team unless the Canucks didn't want him any more.

Rosters were set at 2PM today. They could have waived him (or one of their extra defencemen) this morning and sent him down tomorrow, assuming he cleared, so that Schroeder could be recalled.

It's hard to imagine teams having less flexibility with their rosters than they will between today and tomorrow. Once games start being played, teams gain extra flexibility as players get injured and roster spots open up.

I don't think it makes much sense to waive Ebbett either (at any point, really) but it's tough to rationalize why the team thinks it would be better to waive someone else in the near future to make room for Schroeder. That is, unless they're simply willing to wait until there is an injury on the team to bring him back up.

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we have no 2nd or fourth line. This team is a complete joke.

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Really? I thought it would be a decision made by AV & Gillis. They tend to always work together on roster decisions.
AV basically tipped his hand when he said there would be off-ice and salary issues that would be factored into the decision. He and Gillis have all but publicly stated that this is a cap matter and not a merit-based decision. Gillis has also said Schroeder will be back with the team soon - although when exactly that is, we don't yet know.

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we have no 2nd or fourth line. This team is a complete joke.
What? Weise - Malhotra - Volpatti is quite good. Volpatti is the weak link but the other two are better 4th liners than most teams have (probably Top 10 or 20 4th liners in the league).

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Dissapointed that Schroeder got sent down over Ebbett, don't see the upside of taking Ebbett over Jordan.
Given how thin we are up front right now risking the loss of Ebbett to waivers cannot be justified by the difference in what Schroeder has to give at this time. Schroeder's chances of playing in the NHL this season remain excellent.


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AV basically tipped his hand when he said there would be off-ice and salary issues that would be factored into the decision. He and Gillis have all but publicly stated that this is a cap matter and not a merit-based decision. Gillis has also said Schroeder will be back with the team soon - although when exactly that is, we don't yet know.
Our 2nd line *makeshift* got raymond 3 ****ing goals in a scrimmage against luongo, and you send down the guy who set up two of them.

I am sorry, But what if we get stomped in the 1st week, go 0-3 / 0-4, then call up JS, and we miss the playoffs by a point, It can happen.

We have NO SECOND LINE, Our 2nd line is a complete joke.

This is absolutely brutal coaching, and it's embarrassing for the organization

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Our 2nd line *makeshift* got raymond 3 ****ing goals in a scrimmage against luongo, and you send down the guy who set up two of them.

I am sorry, But what if we get stomped in the 1st week, go 0-3 / 0-4, then call up JS, and we miss the playoffs by a point, It can happen.

We have NO SECOND LINE, Our 2nd line is a complete joke.

This is absolutely brutal coaching, and it's embarrassing for the organization
overreaction.

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AV basically tipped his hand when he said there would be off-ice and salary issues that would be factored into the decision. He and Gillis have all but publicly stated that this is a cap matter and not a merit-based decision. Gillis has also said Schroeder will be back with the team soon - although when exactly that is, we don't yet know.
Doesn't that require another player being moved or an injury though?

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we have no 2nd or fourth line. This team is a complete joke.
wow relax bud, your probably the kind of fan who wants the AV fired and whole team traded at the end of every October when the team starts out slow and then come playoff time after winning the presidents trophy your on the bandwagon in full force

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maybe Barker will play forward

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Our 2nd line *makeshift* got raymond 3 ****ing goals in a scrimmage against luongo, and you send down the guy who set up two of them.

I am sorry, But what if we get stomped in the 1st week, go 0-3 / 0-4, then call up JS, and we miss the playoffs by a point, It can happen.

We have NO SECOND LINE, Our 2nd line is a complete joke.

This is absolutely brutal coaching, and it's embarrassing for the organization
Actually, it might be the other way around. They might press the panic button, not call him up and trade for or sign a veteran instead.

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I wonder if AV wants to try to win games 1-0 so keeping Ebbett over the offensively gifted Schroeder made more sense to him? Although having said that, Schroeder has looked very good defensively as well. I really see no reason why Schroeder should have been sent down. Are we really worried that someone would have actually claimed Andrew ****ing Ebbett off waivers??

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AV basically tipped his hand when he said there would be off-ice and salary issues that would be factored into the decision. He and Gillis have all but publicly stated that this is a cap matter and not a merit-based decision. Gillis has also said Schroeder will be back with the team soon - although when exactly that is, we don't yet know.
Schroeder is waiting for injury. That's it.

Can you guys stop quoting Lucbourdon please.

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Doesn't that require another player being moved or an injury though?
Ebbett likely back with the Wolves in a week or so is my guess.

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