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01-18-2013, 05:01 PM
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I don't agree with Ebbett over Schroeder. Ebbett is what he is, an excellent AHL player who doesn't embarrass himelf in the NHL, but isn't actually good either.

Schroeder still could be something more than that, and seems ready for the chance based on his AHL play and his performance in camp/scrimmage. So yeah, I don't really understand this. In the end however my guess is it makes minimal difference as far as Ebbett vs. Schroeder since Schroeder is a rookie.

What matters is what Gillis is able to get for Luongo.

The games will probably be ugly to watch for awhile aside from the Sedins shifts. Will need to play very tight defensive hockey. Can't say I'll be going out of my way to watch all the games until either Kesler returns or a Luongo trade goes down.

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overreaction.
It can happen, it's not guaranteed we will come out guns blazing and win our first 3 games.

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Ebbett better be pretty freaking good.

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Ebbett likely back with the Wolves in a week or so is my guess.
Why do you guess that? You think he will be waived within a few days then?

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I wonder if AV wants to try to win games 1-0 so keeping Ebbett over the offensively gifted Schroeder made more sense to him? Although having said that, Schroeder has looked very good defensively as well. I really see no reason why Schroeder should have been sent down. Are we really worried that someone would have actually claimed Andrew ****ing Ebbett off waivers??
Ebbett isn't very good defensively so I doubt that's the reason. I think it's already been established what the reason is but for some reason people feel the need to attribute this to AV.

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no way man schroeder vs ebbett is the difference between losing 3-0 and 4-0 to the duck and oilers or winning...... 4-3 and 5-4?

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Upset, disappointed, dumbfounded... etc.

(IMO) Hopefully there's more to this then just sending Schroeder down, otherwise this looks to be the exact same situation as the Corrado WJC cut - the coaching staff and management went into camp knowing full well what the roster would look like ahead of time, and failing to change when other (and better) options were clearly evident during camp.

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01-18-2013, 05:08 PM
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no way man schroeder vs ebbett is the difference between losing 3-0 and 4-0 to the duck and oilers or winning...... 4-3 and 5-4?
If our 2nd line does not score in the first 3 games, then JS would make a difference. I have no doubt in my mind JS would flourish.

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If our 2nd line does not score in the first 3 games, then JS would make a difference. I have no doubt in my mind JS would flourish.
You have no doubt in your mind that a player whose AHL career production hovers in the 0.5-0.6 PPG would flourish in the NHL? You must think that PPG players in the AHL are generational talents...

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It can happen, it's not guaranteed we will come out guns blazing and win our first 3 games.
We haven't even played a game yet...give them a chance to suck first.

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You have no doubt in your mind that a player whose AHL career production hovers in the 0.5-0.6 PPG would flourish in the NHL? You must think that PPG players in the AHL are generational talents...
Hodgson was no saint with the Moose either and now look at him.

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Ebbett isn't very good defensively so I doubt that's the reason. I think it's already been established what the reason is but for some reason people feel the need to attribute this to AV.
Why is Ebbett more likely to be picked off waivers today than he is next week? Even with Booth and Kesler on IR we are at 23 for our roster. I don't expect Schroeder to be up anytime soon, and even if he is it'll probably be in a crap meaningless role as a 4th line winger, just so people can complain when he doesn't put up points playing with Aaron Volpatti and Manny Malhotra.

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It's hard to get people rough waivers right now. Sounds to me like the team did not want to lose one of e nine defencemen the currently have on e roster. I would guess come Monday Barker gets sent down, we keep Vandermear for his ability to play forward and D, along with his toughness, and bring Jordan back up.

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01-18-2013, 05:33 PM
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Sigh, we all knew this is what AV would do.

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Should've known Schroeder was getting cut...

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It's hard to get people rough waivers right now. Sounds to me like the team did not want to lose one of e nine defencemen the currently have on e roster. I would guess come Monday Barker gets sent down, we keep Vandermear for his ability to play forward and D, along with his toughness, and bring Jordan back up.
Wouldn't that mean you either need to keep Ebbet on the 23 man or waive him? Leaving you guys with 13 forwards?

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01-18-2013, 05:43 PM
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as per Farhan, Ebbett is staying mainly due to him having to clear waivers if he's sent down. At minimum, if Ebbett's serviceable on the second line, having Schroeder on the Wolves allows management to replace an injured player. Lose Ebbett to waivers and the team can be in trouble.

If this was on AV or an all-contracts-being-equal situation, they'd probably stay with JS.

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01-18-2013, 05:49 PM
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I wonder how Schroeder feels right now. Arguably two training camps in a row he's played well enough to earn a spot on the roster but outside forces have conspired against him. Happens once, okay. Twice, I'd be pretty pissed.

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Guess we're not waiving Barker then...


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01-18-2013, 05:50 PM
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Why is Ebbett more likely to be picked off waivers today than he is next week? Even with Booth and Kesler on IR we are at 23 for our roster. I don't expect Schroeder to be up anytime soon, and even if he is it'll probably be in a crap meaningless role as a 4th line winger, just so people can complain when he doesn't put up points playing with Aaron Volpatti and Manny Malhotra.
Yes. The Canucks are going to intentionally make Schroeder fail because they want to stick it to him. Keep it up.

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Lose Ebbett to waivers and the team can be in trouble.
Ebbett has some value but I don't think it's to that extent.

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Schroeder must feel a little like Corrado after the World Junior Camp.

Pretty obvious this team was picked long before this week. Maybe the additions of Vandermeer and Barker had some impact on the situation but the forward positions seemed already allotted.

I guess you can try to justify the retention of Ebbett on the basis of trying to keep some depth at the center position. However, I have no faith in Ebbett and really wouldn't care if we lost him. I believe if you have Ebbett in your top 6 you are dead anyways and you might as well a least throw the dice on someone like Schroeder or try to convert someone else the position.

Moreover, the key to the choice was, it seemed to me, how the player did in his own zone. And this is the where Ebbett has always had problems. He can produce a little offense but has never made it long term in the NHL b/c of the problems in his own end. I think the play of Schroeder this week and in Chicago illustrated more ability to play in his own zone. I fear that the Canucks are going to get badly burnt in the defensive zone with Ebbett and thus even in the short term the decision doesn't make a lot of sense.

Hopefully Ebbett makes me eat my words but I don't believe he has the strength or speed to compete adequately at the NHL level.

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Yes. Perspective is important.

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as per Farhan, Ebbett is staying mainly due to him having to clear waivers if he's sent down. At minimum, if Ebbett's serviceable on the second line, having Schroeder on the Wolves allows management to replace an injured player. Lose Ebbett to waivers and the team can be in trouble.

If this was on AV or an all-contracts-being-equal situation, they'd probably stay with JS.
This is basically obvious, since they didn't cut Schroeder along with the other cuts. They obviously were trying to sort out how to keep him with the team and couldn't make it work.

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