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01-21-2013, 04:48 PM
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Haven't seen enough to offer much more than that, but I've been wildly unimpressed with what I have seen and read. I didn't like how he developed guys in Manitoba (despite the team doing well). Just my opinion -- certainly not an expert one -- but I hate wasting too much development time on systems. You might mold some youth that can step into the line-up without a learning curve, but I think it's at the expense of developing better skilled players.
I think the biggest problem is that they're not mutually exclusive. MacT managed to do both last year and all of our prospects were taking steps forward with him around. Then Arniel comes around and everyone but Schroeder and Kassian (and I guess Archibald, but that's a different situation) regresses.

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I think the biggest problem is that they're not mutually exclusive. MacT managed to do both last year and all of our prospects were taking steps forward with him around. Then Arniel comes around and everyone but Schroeder and Kassian (and I guess Archibald, but that's a different situation) regresses.
Well, the quality of competition has been much higher in the AHL this year than last year when MacTavish was coaching. This could fully or partially explain why our prospects have "regressed".

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01-21-2013, 04:55 PM
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...but rosters are set, I think is the idea behind waiting. That being said, sometimes I think Canucks management is too clever for their own good.
It certainly feels that way sometimes haha.

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Arniel really screwed us in that regard since last time Schroeder killed penalties was back in April of last year. Worthless coach, hope they're not planning to keep him around after this year.
Yeah, never understood why he didn't utilize him after how well he performed on the PK last year. Hence the Wolves go on to have a crap PK. Some pretty bad misjudgement of the talent and abilities Arniel had available to him this season, I'd say.

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So I am expecting that Schroeder will be call up..........and if he play well like get a few goals in his first few games......and when kesler come here would you send Schroeder down? or someone esle if he is perform better than expected.......that will be hard decision and plus when booth come back he will return to the AHL likely.....

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So I am expecting that Schroeder will be call up..........and if he play well like get a few goals in his first few games......and when kesler come here would you send Schroeder down? or someone esle if he is perform better than expected.......that will be hard decision and plus when booth come back he will return to the AHL likely.....
Once Kesler is back, it's a toss up between Schroeder and Ebbett being sent down, although for me it would hurt more seeing JS in the press box more than Ebbett.

I'd send Schroeder down to tear up the AHL for now, he needs playing time, I couldn't care less for Ebbett being scratched.

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Well, the quality of competition has been much higher in the AHL this year than last year when MacTavish was coaching. This could fully or partially explain why our prospects have "regressed".
While that's true, those same prospects are still underwhelming now that the competition is back to normal. And I do take issue with stuff like Schroeder not getting to be on the PK when that PK is one of the worst in the league. I know he might not be the best PKer ever, but he was good under MacT and would've certainly improved that horrendous PK.

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I think the biggest problem is that they're not mutually exclusive. MacT managed to do both last year and all of our prospects were taking steps forward with him around. Then Arniel comes around and everyone but Schroeder and Kassian (and I guess Archibald, but that's a different situation) regresses.
I agree that you can do some of both if you have a talented enough coach/teacher. But not if you have a guy who runs a team like a production factory.

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Once Kesler is back, it's a toss up between Schroeder and Ebbett being sent down, although for me it would hurt more seeing JS in the press box more than Ebbett.

I'd send Schroeder down to tear up the AHL for now, he needs playing time, I couldn't care less for Ebbett being scratched.
I agree but kesler isnt going to in game shape in the first game back so Schroeder would be an good insurance policy.......

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^ Why not keep both and have Ebbett as the extra forward? Would like to see:

Daniel - Henrik - Burrows
Booth - Schroeder - Kassian
Higgins - Kesler - Hansen
Raymond - Lapierre - Weise
Malhotra, Ebbett

Kesler essentially gets the same minutes as our "3rd" line is getting right now.

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So is Schroeder getting called up or what? Let's get that going now!

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So is Schroeder getting called up or what? Let's get that going now!
Won't know till tomorrow.

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Won't know till tomorrow.
At the earliest right? Gotta keep it suspenseful.

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We will know tomorrow morning at the earliest......I think Jim Vandemeer was put on waiver at around 9 am so it will around 9 tomorrow or sometime after that

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shredder will return. number 45 looks doesnt fit schroeder IMO.

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shredder will return. number 45 looks doesnt fit schroeder IMO.
He wears 18 for the Wolves, and I know Barker is 18 but he can let Schroeder have that one as the probability of Barker seeing a lot of ice over Alberts is almost nil.

Edit: Just checked out his stats and he's pretty much the same height and weight as my boyfriend (who still trains like a high level hockey player). If Jordan is built similarly to him, I don't think we have to worry about him getting shoved around too much. Though Shredder probably has more upperbody mass than leg mass, seeing as he's not a goalie.

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01-21-2013, 06:58 PM
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While that's true, those same prospects are still underwhelming now that the competition is back to normal. And I do take issue with stuff like Schroeder not getting to be on the PK when that PK is one of the worst in the league. I know he might not be the best PKer ever, but he was good under MacT and would've certainly improved that horrendous PK.
Under MacTavish Schroeder wasn't on the top powerplay unit and the Wolve's powerplay was one of the worst in the league...

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Under MacTavish Schroeder wasn't on the top powerplay unit and the Wolve's powerplay was one of the worst in the league...
The Wolves aren't a very good team, to be honest. It makes me miss the Moose. Chicago isn't as set on developing young talent as the Moose were. MacTavish helped Schroeder develop more defensive awareness, I remember AV mentioning that.

I don't know how I feel about Arniel and Baumgartner being the coaches, TBH. I saw them twice in Abbotsford in October and it was a bit of a gongshow.

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I dunno, center + prospect = pk time is mandatory in the minors.

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I dunno, center + prospect = pk time is mandatory in the minors.
Pretty much. Otherwise you're wasting useful development time.

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Once Kesler is back, it's a toss up between Schroeder and Ebbett being sent down, although for me it would hurt more seeing JS in the press box more than Ebbett.

I'd send Schroeder down to tear up the AHL for now, he needs playing time, I couldn't care less for Ebbett being scratched.
I'd put Kesler on Schroeder's RW, or drop Schroeder to 3C:

Either:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Schroeder-Kesler
Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen
Raymond-Malhotra-Kassian

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Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Hansen
Raymond-Schroeder-Kassian
Higgins-Malhotra-Lapierre

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I think the second line-up is better.

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So is Schroeder getting called up or what? Let's get that going now!
Watch it be Gordon.

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I'd put Kesler on Schroeder's RW, or drop Schroeder to 3C:

Either:
Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Hansen
Raymond-Schroeder-Kassian
Higgins-Malhotra-Lapierre
Like this one better, but switch Raymond with Higgins. Gives Schroeder 2 guys with size on that line.

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So what was the point on sending Schroeder down for two games to keep Vandermeer in the press box?

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Once Kesler is back, it's a toss up between Schroeder and Ebbett being sent down, although for me it would hurt more seeing JS in the press box more than Ebbett.

I'd send Schroeder down to tear up the AHL for now, he needs playing time, I couldn't care less for Ebbett being scratched.
tear it up at .6 PPG?

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