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01-21-2013, 09:56 PM
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tear it up at .6 PPG?
Sadly, for the Wolves, that is tearing it up. #fireArniel

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Keep in mind that the AHL through the first 30 games was a lot more competitive. It's gone down in quality by a huge amount. Games are far slower and less skilled. Wouldn't surprise me if he could go back now and put up PPG or more. Plus there's no one in the way for the #1C spot.

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01-21-2013, 10:16 PM
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Keep in mind that the AHL through the first 30 games was a lot more competitive. It's gone down in quality by a huge amount. Games are far slower and less skilled. Wouldn't surprise me if he could go back now and put up PPG or more. Plus there's no one in the way for the #1C spot.
Would agree that Schroeder is one of those players who might put up the same if not better numbers in the NHL simply due to competent wingers?

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01-22-2013, 12:10 AM
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Schroeder but if.....

Alright so we all know everyone wants Schroeder in and Ebbett out. But I was wondering if Schroeder does get called up and for some reason something goes wrong or does not work out then what do we do? I would say sign Arnott or maybe Langkow for 1 year?

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01-22-2013, 12:12 AM
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By that time, Kesler will hopefully be back. Or Higgins, Raymond, and Burrows play on a line together with Higgins or Raymond centering but that's the worst case scenario.

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By that time, Kesler will hopefully be back. Or Higgins, Raymond, and Burrows play on a line together with Higgins or Raymond centering but that's the worst case scenario.
I would have taken higgins as 2nd line C any day of the week over Ebbett. Higgins is a versatile player that would probably up his game if there was more pressure on him to help out the team.

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01-22-2013, 12:14 AM
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01-22-2013, 12:19 AM
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Schroeder might not "wow" right away but he won't negatively impact your team. His skillset and hockey IQ are too damn high.

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01-22-2013, 12:19 AM
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Give him a shot, he's paid his dues in the minors for the last 2 and a half seasons. He's probably not going to develop any further with the mess that's happening on the farm team.

It's time for him to be given an opportunity and hope he runs with it similar to what Hodgson did last season.

He has a few pros going for him that Hodgson didn't.

I feel like AV actually likes Schroeder regardless of his size. He may get a fair look before anything happens.

More than anything is that he is a terrific skater and he's much more in tuned to playing some defense.

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I would have taken higgins as 2nd line C any day of the week over Ebbett. Higgins is a versatile player that would probably up his game if there was more pressure on him to help out the team.
Agreed.

Considering the lack of healthy top six forwards on this team right now, I definitely thought Higgins would have at least been given the opportunity to center the 2nd line.

That being said, I hope Schroeder is given an opportunity first. Preferably longer than 1-2 games, which is probably what we can expect with AV.

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01-22-2013, 12:30 AM
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Arnott for #3C! Lapierre needs a mentor IMO

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01-22-2013, 12:34 AM
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Well Kassian did make the WJ team.

Was he really overhyped though, he was a top 10 pick, and those are usually supposed to be pretty good.
He was 13th I believe.

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Yeah but this isn't what I mean, Kassian wasn't the best player in the OHL like Coho was and he wasn't ESPN prospect of the year or whatever and he wasn't (arguablly) the best player in the WJ tournament he was in. And he wasn't considered Stamkos but without the explosive speed.

Kassian did have some junior success no doubt but it didn't lead to the expectations that Coho's did, and that was my point.

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01-22-2013, 12:36 AM
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If he can play center well in the NHL, they go from a team with one offensive center threat to a team with three, once Kesler returns. That is the best case, but definitely worth experimenting to find out what they have.

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So what was the point on sending Schroeder down for two games to keep Vandermeer in the press box?
This is just my guess - but teams were in the process of changing their lineups. Adding players and ditching others. Maybe if a guy like Vandermeer was available at that time, a team ditches a lesser light in favour of getting him.

Now, all the rosters have been set at their 23-man limits. Perhaps MG figures the heat is off and maybe Vandermeer can slip through?

Just a theory.

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01-22-2013, 12:39 AM
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They'll move a winger to 2C (Burrows?) if neither Ebbett or Schroeder can do it. I doubt it gets to that point though.

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01-22-2013, 12:41 AM
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I don't understand why everyone brings up Schroeder's size as an issue. In a league with guys like Martin St.Louis can be an elite player, and Nathan Gerbe can be an everyday player, size shouldn't be an enourmous issue. Even more the fact with Schroeder, is that unlike Ebbett who's just as small, Schroeder has a ton of body strength to compensate. He's short, but he shouldn't by any stretch of the imagination considered weak.

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01-22-2013, 12:43 AM
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They'll move a winger to 2C (Burrows?) if neither Ebbett or Schroeder can do it. I doubt it gets to that point though.
Dear god no. Burrows has been equally as bad as Ebbett.

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I don't understand why everyone brings up Schroeder's size as an issue. In a league with guys like Martin St.Louis can be an elite player, and Nathan Gerbe can be an everyday player, size shouldn't be an enourmous issue. Even more the fact with Schroeder, is that unlike Ebbett who's just as small, Schroeder has a ton of body strength to compensate. He's short, but he shouldn't by any stretch of the imagination considered weak.
Size helps but if you have good skill to make up for it, no reason to be a knock against him.

Look at ennis. Watched ennis when he played in my city and he is turning into a very good player in buffalo.

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I don't understand why everyone brings up Schroeder's size as an issue. In a league with guys like Martin St.Louis can be an elite player, and Nathan Gerbe can be an everyday player, size shouldn't be an enourmous issue. Even more the fact with Schroeder, is that unlike Ebbett who's just as small, Schroeder has a ton of body strength to compensate. He's short, but he shouldn't by any stretch of the imagination considered weak.
To add to this, Schroeder is a bit over 5'8. Hodgson is a bit over 5'10. When they are already well below average NHL height, it doesn't make much difference if he's 5'8 or 5'9 or 5'10.

They are both pretty strong. So I think if Hodgson can be successful, being short, there is no reason why Schroeder can't also be successful being short. All it means is Schroeder isn't going to physically punish anyone - but Hodgson sure as hell isn't either.

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I don't understand why everyone brings up Schroeder's size as an issue. In a league with guys like Martin St.Louis can be an elite player, and Nathan Gerbe can be an everyday player, size shouldn't be an enourmous issue. Even more the fact with Schroeder, is that unlike Ebbett who's just as small, Schroeder has a ton of body strength to compensate. He's short, but he shouldn't by any stretch of the imagination considered weak.
Exactly. There is a difference between being frail and being short.

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To add to this, Schroeder is a bit over 5'8. Hodgson is a bit over 5'10. When they are already well below average NHL height, it doesn't make much difference if he's 5'8 or 5'9 or 5'10.

They are both pretty strong. So I think if Hodgson can be successful, being short, there is no reason why Schroeder can't also be successful being short. All it means is Schroeder isn't going to physically punish anyone - but Hodgson sure as hell isn't either.
Schroeder isn't gonna push anyone around. But he isn't gonna get pushed around either. From what I have seen he protects the puck really well. And at the training I was at, he looked like one of the widest players on the team.

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I don't understand why everyone brings up Schroeder's size as an issue. In a league with guys like Martin St.Louis can be an elite player, and Nathan Gerbe can be an everyday player, size shouldn't be an enourmous issue. Even more the fact with Schroeder, is that unlike Ebbett who's just as small, Schroeder has a ton of body strength to compensate. He's short, but he shouldn't by any stretch of the imagination considered weak.
Size isn't the end-all, be-all of playing in the NHL. But as a Center, it's always going to be a huge struggle for a guy as small as Schroeder to handle the bigger forwards in the league down low in his own zone. When you're talking about say, Getzlaf/Perry/Ryan types for example...Schroeder may be able to keep himself in the right position defensively, but at some points he is simply going to get bullied out of the way.

Again, that's not to say small players can't succeed...but it is a significant disadvantage. Particularly at Center, in the Western Conference, and on a team that plays the sort of style the Canucks do.

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Size isn't the end-all, be-all of playing in the NHL. But as a Center, it's always going to be a huge struggle for a guy as small as Schroeder to handle the bigger forwards in the league down low in his own zone. When you're talking about say, Getzlaf/Perry/Ryan types for example...Schroeder may be able to keep himself in the right position defensively, but at some points he is simply going to get bullied out of the way.

Again, that's not to say small players can't succeed...but it is a significant disadvantage. Particularly at Center, in the Western Conference, and on a team that plays the sort of style the Canucks do.
Agreed. He's going to have to be really good positionally and produce points at a decent rate to become a success. It's pretty obvious the type of 3rd line centre AV prefers, but he seems to be positive on Schroeder, so here's hoping he has some patience. It's not like any of the in-house alternatives are going to be much better.

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Would be nice if he can come into the lineup and be our version of Clauide Giroux....maybe that is asking too much and they were both draft 22th overall in their respective draft

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