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01-18-2013, 03:54 PM
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You have to look at the off ice stuff too. As I said earlier in this thread, Schroeder would have had to have performed at a much higher level than Ebbett to avoid Chicago. He didn't and here we are. Not that he didn't look as good, but for the Canucks to surrender their depth, he would really have to turn some heads. This is the easiest way to evaluate things.

We're not talking about Jonathan Huberdeau or Alex Galchenyuk here, Schroeder is still a pretty marginal prospect at this point. It's not that Vigneault hates young players (I hope people can see how ridiculous this is, and it's not all Vigneault's choice either).

Schroeder will not ask for a trade, the sky is not falling, he'll get his shot when the time is right. Probably won't be long.

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Hoping to see Schroeder up this weekend, or by the latest, in time for Wednesday's game...

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We have a lot of dmen right now.....wouldn't it have made sense to make a decision on Vandemeer or Barker, as to which should remain up? Heck, maybe both of them should be sent down given that they are #8 and #9 on the depth chart...

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I'm very unhappy about this.
Schroeder looked so good with Raymond in the scrimmage last night.

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I'm very unhappy about this.
Schroeder looked so good with Raymond in the scrimmage last night.
Oh ew I never even considered the fact that now we get bad Mason Raymond again ><

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Disappointing is one way of putting it. AV says he's all about giving players the opportunity to prove to him that they can play. I'm not sure what Schroeder did that was contradictory to that. He played better than Ebbett during the scrimmages and throughout this entire training camp.

If Ebbett turns out to be this season's Rome... this is beyond mind boggling.

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01-18-2013, 03:57 PM
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I'm very unhappy about this.
Schroeder looked so good with Raymond in the scrimmage last night.
Yeah, not really looking forward to seeing the guy who looks like he's homeless center our second line tomorrow night.

Hopefully Shroeder will be back sooner than later.

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We have a lot of dmen right now.....wouldn't it have made sense to make a decision on Vandemeer or Barker, as to which should remain up? Heck, maybe both of them should be sent down given that they are #8 and #9 on the depth chart...
They likely didn't want to expose them to waivers at this point, while other teams are still filling out their roster holes. Considering how many defensemen the Canucks usually go through in a normal season, and then that this is a lockout season and the vast majority of the Canucks defensemen haven't played since the spring, I think it's at least understandable.

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Clearly AV is just lying about liking Schroeder and his play. So much drama. Good god.
AV can like Schroeder's play and still not give him much of an opportunity here. Once Kesler is back Schroeder doesn't really fit AV's "prototypical" 3rd line center. If Hodgson and Wellwood weren't AV's flavor in the bottom 6, I doubt Schroeder is going to see a long term fit there either...and as long as we have Henrik and Kesler manning the 1-2 spots it doesn't bode well for him in Vancouver IMO.

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I don't know how anyone is blaming AV for this, when it is clearly a Gilman move to make the Nucks roster compliant.

And to those who say that Kassian should be down before Schroeder, perhaps; but Kassian + Ebbett at center is better than Schroeder + Ebbett on the wing.

Schroeder has probably been talked to by someone in management. He will be fine.

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They likely didn't want to expose them to waivers at this point, while other teams are still filling out their roster holes. Considering how many defensemen the Canucks usually go through in a normal season, and then that this is a lockout season and the vast majority of the Canucks defensemen haven't played since the spring, I think it's at least understandable.
We'll have to see. This would be so much easier if we knew if Schroeder is actually flying out to Chicago or not.

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I would be curious to hear your explanation or give examples of how this "fickle" system has hampered the development of prospects in the Canucks system. I mean, aside from developing nearly our entire core, what exactly has our development system done that is so awful?

I can provide a pretty lengthy list of development successes, what are all these abject failures that you keep speaking of?
I think our development record is up for debate.

We seem to do better bringing along late-draft defencemen and goalies.

The only 1st round draft choices that we've really given a significant role to is....nobody. Well now that we got rid of he-who-shall-not-be-named-because-he-hijacks-threads it's nobody.

Kesler is an '03 draft, Schneider '04, Bourdon '05. That means we basically haven't given a shot to or had a 1st-rounder pan out in 7 years.

I understand that drafting is an art, but to say we've done a great job developing young talent is naieve.

We can get a sleeper (Raymond) to be decent. We can get a guy like Hansen to be 3W. But as much as I like MayRay if he's lucky he'll scored 20 goals a year going forward. If we're unlucky, last year wasn't due to his injury.

Where is the rest of our home-grown talent up front?

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I think our development record is up for debate.

We seem to do better bringing along late-draft defencemen and goalies.

The only 1st round draft choices that we've really given a significant role to is....nobody. Well now that we got rid of he-who-shall-not-be-named-because-he-hijacks-threads it's nobody.

Kesler is an '03 draft, Schneider '04, Bourdon '05. That means we basically haven't given a shot to or had a 1st-rounder pan out in 7 years.

I understand that drafting is an art, but to say we've done a great job developing young talent is naieve.

We can get a sleeper (Raymond) to be decent. We can get a guy like Hansen to be 3W. But as much as I like MayRay if he's lucky he'll scored 20 goals a year going forward. If we're unlucky, last year wasn't due to his injury.

Where is the rest of our home-grown talent up front?
Grabner was developed and traded for Ballard in a move to improve the Top 4.

Patrick White was a horrible pick.

Hodgson was developed and traded for a highly valued PWF prospect in Kassian. Looked to be on his way to being a half-decent #2C at some point in his career.

Schroeder is being developed just as he should be and will soon enough be a Canuck.

No draft pick 2010.

Jensen is excelling.

What exactly is your issue with our 1st rounders again?

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We'll have to see. This would be so much easier if we knew if Schroeder is actually flying out to Chicago or not.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him down there for at least a little bit until they make decisions about what to do to clear space. That said, I also wouldn't be surprised to see things shuffle around tomorrow. Who knows?

But I think it's pretty clear that they would have liked to have kept him on the team to start. If they were simply cutting him, they'd have sent him down with the rest of the cuts. It's not like they were evaluating him further today, and then just made a decision now.

I mean, unless it comes out that they spent all day today making him do a math test or arm wrestling Ebbett or something.

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AV can like Schroeder's play and still not give him much of an opportunity here. Once Kesler is back Schroeder doesn't really fit AV's "prototypical" 3rd line center. If Hodgson and Wellwood weren't AV's flavor in the bottom 6, I doubt Schroeder is going to see a long term fit there either...and as long as we have Henrik and Kesler manning the 1-2 spots it doesn't bode well for him in Vancouver IMO.
Wasn't that because Hodgson wanted a bigger role? Creating a shutdown third line (or whatever it was supposed to be with Pahlsson centering it) doesn't really work out for us because the Canucks already have a lot of trouble scoring in the playoffs. We need some sort of offense from the third line.

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It looks like the decisions were pretty well made before training camp. I guess this is to be expected in a lockout year where the prospects like Schroeder don't really get a fair chance to show what they can do. Too bad. I hope he gets a call up soon.

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The only 1st round draft choices that we've really given a significant role to is....nobody.
Technically true but look at in context.

Gillis' first round picks:

1) He who shall remain nameless
2) Schroeder

Irrevelant for anybody after those two as it's FAR too early to make judgements on players (we didn't have a 2010 pick).

Guys drafted before Gillis was GM but after Kesler:

1) Schneider (guess who the starting goalie is...)
2) Bourdon ......
3) Grabner (even the guy that drafted him didn't want him for free)
4) Garbage

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AV can like Schroeder's play and still not give him much of an opportunity here. Once Kesler is back Schroeder doesn't really fit AV's "prototypical" 3rd line center. If Hodgson and Wellwood weren't AV's flavor in the bottom 6, I doubt Schroeder is going to see a long term fit there either...and as long as we have Henrik and Kesler manning the 1-2 spots it doesn't bode well for him in Vancouver IMO.
Exactly. Look at who has failed to even make the 3rd line while they were here - why not Grabner? Remember, I am talking 3rd line here, not even 2C like we are now. AV has his preferences for the forwards and they're pretty clear.

I'm just diametrically opposed to AV's thinking, no big deal.

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It looks like the decisions were pretty well made before training camp. I guess this is to be expected in a lockout year where the prospects like Schroeder don't really get a fair chance to show what they can do. Too bad. I hope he gets a call up soon.
If the decision was made before training camp then they wouldn't have him sticking around Vancouver the whole day when he could be flying to Chicago to play with the Wolves.

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It looks like the decisions were pretty well made before training camp. I guess this is to be expected in a lockout year where the prospects like Schroeder don't really get a fair chance to show what they can do. Too bad. I hope he gets a call up soon.
How can you say this? If they wanted to cut him, he'd have been cut with the other Wolves-bound players. Everything they have said and done indicates that they were trying to figure out how to make room for him safely, and didn't feel that they could at the moment, and will hope to bring him back once it's safely possible.

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In all likelyhood, Schroeder will be called up very shortly. This is a cap space move.

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I don't know how anyone is blaming AV for this, when it is clearly a Gilman move to make the Nucks roster compliant.

And to those who say that Kassian should be down before Schroeder, perhaps; but Kassian + Ebbett at center is better than Schroeder + Ebbett on the wing.

Schroeder has probably been talked to by someone in management. He will be fine.
Sums up my feelings, pretty much. I'm not happy about the fact that Schroeder has to go down after performing so well, but it's a numbers game at this point, and I'm sure he's been made aware of that.

I would love to know when we can expect him back up, though.

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If the decision was made before training camp then they wouldn't have him sticking around Vancouver the whole day when he could be flying to Chicago to play with the Wolves.
No, no. They did it because they're trying to stick it to him by making him miss AHL games, too. They also threw his shoes on the roof.

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