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01-23-2013, 02:57 PM
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Teams can't offer 8 year contracts anymore.

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01-23-2013, 03:03 PM
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Teams can't offer 8 year contracts anymore.

Oh? Someone forgot to tell that to Jersey and Zajac!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle7437811/

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01-23-2013, 03:12 PM
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Oh? Someone forgot to tell that to Jersey and Zajac!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle7437811/
Other teams can't offer Benn 8 year contracts.

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01-23-2013, 03:31 PM
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on a side note they should have made the discrepency meaningful i.e. existing team can offer 8 , not existing can offer max of 5

8 vs 7 really isn't much of a deterant for a player to jump ship.

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01-23-2013, 03:40 PM
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Jamie Benn could absolutely be had. However, the cost would be very high. Gardiner for certain, Bozak (Joe always liked him) and probably MacArthur. Leafs would get Benn and some conditional picks if Dallas resigns either player. This move would not put Toronto in the playoffs this year, it would put Dallas deep in the playoffs though.

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01-23-2013, 03:44 PM
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Jamie Benn could absolutely be had. However, the cost would be very high. Gardiner for certain, Bozak (Joe always liked him) and probably MacArthur. Leafs would get Benn and some conditional picks if Dallas resigns either player. This move would not put Toronto in the playoffs this year, it would put Dallas deep in the playoffs though.
Not even close imo.

Gardiner Bozak and MacArthur?

Gardiner is probably the only piece they'd want, because the other two are expiring contracts.

The value has to be equal to 2 1st rounders and a second rounder. Because that's what they'd get in compensation for an offer sheet.

They're not dealing him for anything less.

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01-23-2013, 03:55 PM
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Not even close imo.

Gardiner Bozak and MacArthur?

Gardiner is probably the only piece they'd want, because the other two are expiring contracts.

The value has to be equal to 2 1st rounders and a second rounder. Because that's what they'd get in compensation for an offer sheet.

They're not dealing him for anything less.
I have to disagree with you. That offer is more than ample for Benn, what's more is that MacA and Bozak are absolutely worth a 1st and a 2nd round pick. Expiring contracts, at this point, are nothing to worry about as you have 6 months to resign the players. Just because they are on expiring contracts does not mean they are anything less than mid-age 2nd line players.

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01-23-2013, 04:10 PM
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I have to disagree with you. That offer is more than ample for Benn, what's more is that MacA and Bozak are absolutely worth a 1st and a 2nd round pick. Expiring contracts, at this point, are nothing to worry about as you have 6 months to resign the players. Just because they are on expiring contracts does not mean they are anything less than mid-age 2nd line players.
Yeah but who says either of those guys will have any interest in staying in Dallas?

They are good players who would probably do ok in FA. They may be worth late 1sts to teams who are pushing for a cup run... but not to a team like Dallas who is on the bubble in the west, very young and still maturing.

After seeing how the Boston picks played out in the Kessel deal, if I'm Nieuwy I say "thank you very much I'll take the picks, sign him to the offer sheet" and take my chances that adding Benn doesn't get the Leafs to the playoffs again and I've got 1 if not 2 cracks at the 1st overall.


Also, before making proposals think to yourself honestly "could another team offer a better package?" the answer in this case is 100% yes.

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01-23-2013, 04:34 PM
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Not sure if this has been discussed, but when Mike Gillis mentioned he had a potential deal in place for Luongo but said they were "waiting on a player" from the other team, did anyone else think of Gardiner coming back from concussion as the player in question?

This kind of worries me, as it makes sense in some ways. Rielly will bring a lot of what Gardiner brings, they have another offensively minded d-man in Liles locked up and Gardiner will be in for a big payday when his contract is up. Dealing depth for an area of weakness. AS a huge fan of Gardiner I hope I'm wrong, but Gardiner seems to be returning the game after Gillis made those comments.

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01-23-2013, 04:51 PM
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Not sure if this has been discussed, but when Mike Gillis mentioned he had a potential deal in place for Luongo but said they were "waiting on a player" from the other team, did anyone else think of Gardiner coming back from concussion as the player in question?

This kind of worries me, as it makes sense in some ways. Rielly will bring a lot of what Gardiner brings, they have another offensively minded d-man in Liles locked up and Gardiner will be in for a big payday when his contract is up. Dealing depth for an area of weakness. AS a huge fan of Gardiner I hope I'm wrong, but Gardiner seems to be returning the game after Gillis made those comments.
not going to happen!

my hunch is Kulikov

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01-23-2013, 05:07 PM
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Not sure if this has been discussed, but when Mike Gillis mentioned he had a potential deal in place for Luongo but said they were "waiting on a player" from the other team, did anyone else think of Gardiner coming back from concussion as the player in question?

This kind of worries me, as it makes sense in some ways. Rielly will bring a lot of what Gardiner brings, they have another offensively minded d-man in Liles locked up and Gardiner will be in for a big payday when his contract is up. Dealing depth for an area of weakness. AS a huge fan of Gardiner I hope I'm wrong, but Gardiner seems to be returning the game after Gillis made those comments.
You might be right.

Gardiner coming back so they can deal Liles?

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01-23-2013, 05:22 PM
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You might be right.

Gardiner coming back so they can deal Liles?
Liles + Scrivens for Luongo?

Maybe that's why Reimer is starting tonight over Ben, so that Scrivens doesn't get hurt or if the trade gets finalized mid game...


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01-23-2013, 05:25 PM
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Liles + Scrivens for Luongo?

Maybe that's why Reimer is starting tonight over Ben, so that Scrivens doesn't get hurt or if the trade gets finalized mid game...

I knew if we put our heads together we could solve this.

Unless putting our heads together just gives us a concussion.

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01-23-2013, 05:36 PM
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You might be right.

Gardiner coming back so they can deal Liles?
Never thought of it that way, that could definitely be a possibility.

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01-24-2013, 03:07 AM
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Honestly I love the future of this team we have a lot of high end talent... I feel this is our core for the top 6. I didn't include Mac + Bozak. Not because they aren't solid or important top 9 players, I like both of them but I just think the 6 below are the core of this team.


JVR/KESSEL/LUPUL/GRABOVSKI/KULEMIN/KADRI



THE AGE OF THESE PLAYERS IN 5 YEARS.



KESSEL 30
LUPUL 33
GRABOVSKI 33
JVR 28
KULEMIN 31
KADRI 27


game breakers: 1
border line 1st liner: 1
Legit 2nd liner: 1
2nd liner: 1
Fringe top 6 with good potential: 2


Every single player will be in the prime of their career for at least 5 years.

Once this team get's a centre and solid goaltending I think we will be a top 5 team in the east and will be able to go for 2-3 cup runs in the next 5-7 seasons. This team has the potential to be good, but more importantly good for a LONG time.

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01-24-2013, 07:16 AM
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Would anyone be open to Grabovski + Gardiner for unsigned Benn?

Dallas needs: Top 6 C and a potential #1D
Leafs need: Physical 2-way C

Lupul - Benn - Kessel
JVR - Kadri - Kulemin
MacArthur - Bozak - Komarov
Orr - McClement - Brown

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Kostka - Komisarek
Liles - Franson

Reimer
Scrivens

Sure our D sucks, but D is easier to fill. Plus we have Rielly on the way and Carlyles system maximizes defensive capabilities.

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01-24-2013, 07:33 AM
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Benn has been quoted saying he doesnt want to play in Canada. He doesnt like the spotlight

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01-24-2013, 07:34 AM
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Would anyone be open to Grabovski + Gardiner for unsigned Benn?

Dallas needs: Top 6 C and a potential #1D
Leafs need: Physical 2-way C

Lupul - Benn - Kessel
JVR - Kadri - Kulemin
MacArthur - Bozak - Komarov
Orr - McClement - Brown

Phaneuf - Gunnarsson
Kostka - Komisarek
Liles - Franson

Reimer
Scrivens

Sure our D sucks, but D is easier to fill. Plus we have Rielly on the way and Carlyles system maximizes defensive capabilities.
I think the MAX we could offer would be:

Liles + Grabovski + Ashton + 2nd for Benn + cap dump (Ryder)

Gardiner is far too important to this team.

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Once this team get's a centre and solid goaltending I think we will be a top 5 team in the east and will be able to go for 2-3 cup runs in the next 5-7 seasons. This team has the potential to be good, but more importantly good for a LONG time.
If you added the two primary needs to any team in the form of top line players... most of them would become top teams in their conference.. Such as adding a 1st line C + top pairing D to Montreal, adding a top pairing D + top line winger to Ottawa, adding a #1 G + #1 D to NYI, etc.

We don't exactly have an advantage over other teams here, there are a ton of teams with decent depth and a few major holes. Why would we be assumed to fill those holes before the other teams? Especially when a lot of those other teams have better prospect pools?

Also, EVEN if we filled those holes, I highly doubt we'd go on 2-3 Cup runs in a 5-7 year stretch. No teams have gone to the finals 3 times in the last 5-7 years. Detroit and Pittsburgh are the ONLY teams to have gone twice, and Pittsburgh has Crosby/Malkin while Detroit had Lidstrom/Datsyuk, quite literally the four best players in the world at the time.

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01-24-2013, 07:35 AM
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Benn has been quoted saying he doesnt want to play in Canada. He doesnt like the spotlight
If true wouldnt want him at all then

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If you added the two primary needs to any team in the form of top line players... most of them would become top teams in their conference.. Such as adding a 1st line C + top pairing D to Montreal, adding a top pairing D + top line winger to Ottawa, adding a #1 G + #1 D to NYI, etc.

We don't exactly have an advantage over other teams here, there are a ton of teams with decent depth and a few major holes. Why would we be assumed to fill those holes before the other teams? Especially when a lot of those other teams have better prospect pools?

Also, EVEN if we filled those holes, I highly doubt we'd go on 2-3 Cup runs in a 5-7 year stretch. No teams have gone to the finals 3 times in the last 5-7 years. Detroit and Pittsburgh are the ONLY teams to have gone twice, and Pittsburgh has Crosby/Malkin while Detroit had Lidstrom/Datsyuk, quite literally the four best players in the world at the time.
Ovi was arguably better than all 4 at that time.

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Benn has been quoted saying he doesnt want to play in Canada. He doesnt like the spotlight

Not that I don't believe, but do you have a link or anything?

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I think the MAX we could offer would be:

Liles + Grabovski + Ashton + 2nd for Benn + cap dump (Ryder)

Gardiner is far too important to this team.
Ryder is not a cap dump.
Dallas hangs up instantly.

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Benn has been quoted saying he doesnt want to play in Canada. He doesnt like the spotlight
Sad to hear but understandable. Some people can't deal with the media craze that is canada tbh.
Not to mention there is no way in hell or high water they will let him walk.

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Ryder is not a cap dump.
Dallas hangs up instantly.
I'll admit it I'm a huge ryder critic but he has shut up a lot of people. Including myself.

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