HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Pittsburgh Penguins
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Letang-Despres-Morrow-Pouliot

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-17-2013, 12:55 AM
  #1
theicebox
#MonixWatch
 
theicebox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: United States
Posts: 1,800
vCash: 500
Letang-Despres-Morrow-Pouliot

Short Version:

In five years, is this a feasible top 4? No trades, keep them all.

Long Version:

After tonight's scrimmage, I am excited about Despres and Morrow, and I am starting to rejoin the Team-Shero-Drafting-School-of-PMD. Both Despres and Morrow need some polishing, but there is gold underneath their outer rookie shells.

We would be the Harlem Globetrotters of the NHL. I am being completely serious about this, I am excited. If all 4 can play D, and have elite offensive talent, we would skate circles around the competition, control both zones, and play with real life hacks. On top of this, we should (fingers crossed) have Crosby and Malkin for another decade.

Ages (2013 -> 2018)

Letang - 25 -> 30
Despres - 21 -> 26
Morrow - 20 -> 25
Pouliot - 19 -> 24

The latter three become next generation pseduo-Letangs at 24-26 in 2018, and Letang is in the prime of his career.

This formula requires getting creative with the winger situation, but I want to ask for a second opinion/try to stir the pot. We have 5 drafts between 2013 and 2018, we can also stock the wingerz cabinet. I am still on a hockey high from the scrimmage, please forgive me.


Last edited by theicebox: 01-17-2013 at 01:01 AM.
theicebox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 01:16 AM
  #2
Captain Hook
Olli Määttä
 
Captain Hook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 13,463
vCash: 500
It might happen but there's also a possibility one of those kids may be used as trade bait.

I also hope a kid like Brian Dumoulin develops so that we have a big young defensive guy to put with one of those more offensive minded prospects like Morrow or Pouliot.

Captain Hook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 01:25 AM
  #3
Tender Rip
No cap on coaching!
 
Tender Rip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Shanghai, China
Posts: 12,293
vCash: 500
Wasn't possible for me to watch the scrimmage, but going by the reports and the majority of comments here, it wasn't exactly Despres and Morrow who looked NHL ready when comparing to Bortuzzo and Strait...

Not wanting to be Debbie Downer as I have high hopes for both, just saying...

Tender Rip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 01:31 AM
  #4
theicebox
#MonixWatch
 
theicebox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Pittsburgh
Country: United States
Posts: 1,800
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tender Rip View Post
Wasn't possible for me to watch the scrimmage, but going by the reports and the majority of comments here, it wasn't exactly Despres and Morrow who looked NHL ready when comparing to Bortuzzo and Strait...

Not wanting to be Debbie Downer as I have high hopes for both, just saying...
Bortuzzo and Strait are safe, but they are not elite. From attending the scrimmage, when Letang was paired with both Morrow and Despres, it was an elite pairing. Not perfect, but you could just see an intangible 'eliteness' about their on-ice performance. We always read on here that defense can be taught. Letang is a beast in both ends. These three prospects have a similar prospect toolkit as Letang.

Letang-Despres
Morrow-Pouliot (Portland pipeline)

This is elite. Dumoulin, Harrington, Maatta, these are all elite defensive prospects, they could be in the bottom 2.

This is purely in response to the balance that exists when Letang is partnered with other elite talent. Orpik is good, Martin has his days, but they are not elite. We do not have to water down pairings, if we have elite assets.

We have Crosby and Malkin, they are elite. I want an elite team. We have elite defensive prospects. Are Bortuzzo and Strait necessary in the long-term, if we have this oil pipeline that we are about to hit?

I am not talking about NHL ready for this season. I am talking about NHL ready for 2018. Bortuzzo and Strait will be NHL ready by then, but so too will our entire defensive stable. Really, it is awesome scary.

I know I am not a scout, but I watch enough hockey to see this potential.

theicebox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 01:55 AM
  #5
Giskard
Registered User
 
Giskard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Alps
Country: Italy
Posts: 597
vCash: 500
I love our D prospects ... even if 50% of them tanks we will be awesomely good

Giskard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 02:03 AM
  #6
Jaded-Fan
Registered User
 
Jaded-Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,860
vCash: 500
I can almost guarentee you at least one will not develope as you . . . . and all of us . . . hope. The odds are just against them all becoming 1st or 2nd pairing defensemen. So I would say solely going by the odds, the odds are not good.

Jaded-Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 06:05 AM
  #7
fleaburn
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 44
vCash: 500
I really hope Despres makes the team. He just seems to have the awareness that alot of young defencemen take years to get. I've watched him in Saint John and as a lifelong Pens fan I've been following his career the best I can and I believe that he could be ready to handle lots of minutes at the NHL level this year.

fleaburn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 08:08 AM
  #8
Le Magnifique 66
Let's Go Pens
 
Le Magnifique 66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,257
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaded-Fan View Post
I can almost guarentee you at least one will not develope as you . . . . and all of us . . . hope. The odds are just against them all becoming 1st or 2nd pairing defensemen. So I would say solely going by the odds, the odds are not good.
Agreed, hopefully if Shero needs to make a move he chose the right one to move

Still very impressive as we speak that down the road we are looking at

Letang-Despres
Harrington-Maatta
Pouliot-Morrow
Dumoulin

Le Magnifique 66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 10:26 AM
  #9
MurphyDump
Registered User
 
MurphyDump's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,464
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaburn View Post
I really hope Despres makes the team. He just seems to have the awareness that alot of young defencemen take years to get. I've watched him in Saint John and as a lifelong Pens fan I've been following his career the best I can and I believe that he could be ready to handle lots of minutes at the NHL level this year.
Yet he's been a healthy scratch this year in WBS and apparently didn't look good at all last night in the scrimmage.

He doesn't have to clear waivers, send him back to WBS to mature and get more polished. It only makes sense.

I'd like to see us get rid of Lovejoy and keep Strait and Bortuzzo. I'm high on Bortuzzo, not only because he's another Thunder Bay boy, but he's got that Hal Gill type reach and coverage, yet can actually skate for his size. He could be that crease clearer that we're lacking.

MurphyDump is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 10:57 AM
  #10
UnderratedBrooks44
Registered User
 
UnderratedBrooks44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Miranda's house
Posts: 12,796
vCash: 500
If Morrow and Pouliot both pan out, I'm not sure that pair is going to cut it at this level. I see a lot of good skating, passing, shooting, but a big lack of size and strength. We'll cross that bridge I guess.

UnderratedBrooks44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 11:07 AM
  #11
Shady Machine
Registered User
 
Shady Machine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 12,401
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by UnderratedBrooks44 View Post
If Morrow and Pouliot both pan out, I'm not sure that pair is going to cut it at this level. I see a lot of good skating, passing, shooting, but a big lack of size and strength. We'll cross that bridge I guess.
?? I'm not sure if it's the right pairing, but Morrow from all accounts is physical and Pouliot seems to be pretty thick for his height. I think they would be fine physically.

Shady Machine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 11:21 AM
  #12
Pick87your71Poison
Registered User
 
Pick87your71Poison's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: New York, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 4,368
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shady Machine View Post
?? I'm not sure if it's the right pairing, but Morrow from all accounts is physical and Pouliot seems to be pretty thick for his height. I think they would be fine physically.
Plus either way they don't necessarily have to be paired that way. Could easily someone like Morrow paird with Dumoulin and could try to build Pouliot and Maatta together.

Pick87your71Poison is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 04:18 PM
  #13
eXile59
Shirts on.
 
eXile59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 16,223
vCash: 500
I'm saying out of Despres, Morrow, Pouliot, or Maata one busts. Maybe two. Not because of their talent right now but just because odds of all them panning out are pretty slim. If they do some one give this scouting staff an award considering 3 out of 4 of them came from the end of the 1st round where historically has been a rough area to get great players when compared to the other 2/3 of the 1st round.

eXile59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 06:18 PM
  #14
GermanTitov
Registered User
 
GermanTitov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 446
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Magnifique 66 View Post
Agreed, hopefully if Shero needs to make a move he chose the right one to move

Still very impressive as we speak that down the road we are looking at

Letang-Despres
Harrington-Maatta
Pouliot-Morrow
Dumoulin


not being a smart ass but i hope shero didnt pass up on top 6 forwards for first round bottom pairing defensemen ( pouliot -morrow)

GermanTitov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 06:28 PM
  #15
GermanTitov
Registered User
 
GermanTitov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 446
vCash: 500
in 5 years who plays with crosby at a reasonable price? dupuis and kunitz will be retired by then. we wil need at least 2 top 6 forwards. shero better get em now. hopefully we draft late the next 5 years so i dont expect drafted players to start in the nhl for 3-5 years.


Bennett-Crosby- ???????
Neal-Malkin-???????

GermanTitov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 06:30 PM
  #16
The Tang
I like gooooollllddd
 
The Tang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh. PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,175
vCash: 500
You can never tell if a prospect will really pa out; there's always busts. But I did like what I saw.

As for Burtozzo and Strait, they may be fine but I'm not really expecting much more than bottom pairing guys.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Hook View Post
It might happen but there's also a possibility one of those kids may be used as trade bait.
I've been thinking about that for quite some time given the depth of defensive prospects we have after this past draft. I won't be surprised at all if we see another Neal-Goligoski type deal in the near future.

The Tang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 06:55 PM
  #17
GermanTitov
Registered User
 
GermanTitov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 446
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tang View Post
You can never tell if a prospect will really pa out; there's always busts. But I did like what I saw.

As for Burtozzo and Strait, they may be fine but I'm not really expecting much more than bottom pairing guys.



I've been thinking about that for quite some time given the depth of defensive prospects we have after this past draft. I won't be surprised at all if we see another Neal-Goligoski type deal in the near future.


my issue with that is, those guys come with higher cap hits like neal and kunitz. wouldnt it be nice to have production out of a top 6 pedigree forward on and entry level contract for 3 years or so. not to many top 2 pairing dman you have no place for

GermanTitov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 06:56 PM
  #18
End of Line
Moderator
Human After All
 
End of Line's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Country: United States
Posts: 19,527
vCash: 500
Most likely pairings:

Despres-Letang
Harrington-Morrow
Dumoulin-Pouliot

__________________

"I don't know what the stronger emotion would be, the joy of winning or the pain of losing"-Sidney Crosby.
End of Line is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 06:59 PM
  #19
The Tang
I like gooooollllddd
 
The Tang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh. PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,175
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GermanTitov View Post
my issue with that is, those guys come with higher cap hits like neal and kunitz. wouldnt it be nice to have production out of a top 6 pedigree forward on and entry level contract for 3 years or so. not to many top 2 pairing dman you have no place for
It most definitely would and honestly I was disappointed we didn't take a forward in the first round. But as it stands, these are the cards the Pens have and Shero has been able to find a way to make the most of them.

The Tang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 07:05 PM
  #20
GermanTitov
Registered User
 
GermanTitov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 446
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by End of Line View Post
Most likely pairings:

Despres-Letang
Harrington-Morrow
Dumoulin-Pouliot

now with this i understand dumoulin was picked up in a trade but your going to put an 8th overall pick on the 3rd pairing???? fail shero IMO if that happens

GermanTitov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 07:12 PM
  #21
GermanTitov
Registered User
 
GermanTitov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 446
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tang View Post
It most definitely would and honestly I was disappointed we didn't take a forward in the first round. But as it stands, these are the cards the Pens have and Shero has been able to find a way to make the most of them.
im not trying to be negative here. i do trust shero but today after hearing that we might lose one of our D prospects for nothing really made me mad. i immediately thought of 2 first round picks bot Dman. the number of dman we have just doesnt make sense to me. im not a GM i know but you gotta trade the prospects for wingers eventually and like i said they normally come with a higher cap hit than an entry level rookie that we SHOULD have drafted in the first place. so your trading Dman or drafting 6-7th Dman in the 1st round. im just frustrated right now.

GermanTitov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 07:55 PM
  #22
The Tang
I like gooooollllddd
 
The Tang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Pittsburgh. PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,175
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GermanTitov View Post
im not trying to be negative here. i do trust shero but today after hearing that we might lose one of our D prospects for nothing really made me mad. i immediately thought of 2 first round picks bot Dman. the number of dman we have just doesnt make sense to me. im not a GM i know but you gotta trade the prospects for wingers eventually and like i said they normally come with a higher cap hit than an entry level rookie that we SHOULD have drafted in the first place. so your trading Dman or drafting 6-7th Dman in the 1st round. im just frustrated right now.
I completely understand where you're coming from, don't get me wrong. Our balance of forward/defense prospects is horribly tilted and other than Bennett there's (seemingly) not a whole lot to look forward too unless one of the guys surprises everyone.

Maatta I get because he dropped so much and they must be really really high on Pouliot if they took him 8th. I was more surprised they didn't try to nab an offensive prospect instead of Dumoulin.

The Tang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 09:17 PM
  #23
GuillaumeLetsundress
Formerly Pheramone
 
GuillaumeLetsundress's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,066
vCash: 500
Bortuzzo has a good shot at making the squad this year?

GuillaumeLetsundress is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-17-2013, 09:20 PM
  #24
shureshot66
Global Moderator
 
shureshot66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 9,251
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheramone View Post
Bortuzzo has a good shot at making the squad this year?
It would appear that he has already has made the team.

shureshot66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:06 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.