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03-28-2013, 02:18 AM
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From reading the prospect ranking thread on the prospect board, I don't get why people are still down on Dumba. The guy has been great ever since returning from the Wild. What more do people want
Just a bunch of people who only saw him play at WJC camp, I wouldn't worry about it

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03-28-2013, 06:53 AM
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I'd chalk it up to fans being pissed that we could have taken trouba, who broke out at WJC, at the same time Dumba got cut from team CAN and had a lackluster couple of games after. fans started questioning the pick right after that.

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03-28-2013, 09:51 AM
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I'd chalk it up to fans being pissed that we could have taken trouba, who broke out at WJC, at the same time Dumba got cut from team CAN and had a lackluster couple of games after. fans started questioning the pick right after that.
I was questioning it at the time of the draft. I was beating the Trouba drum harder than pretty much anybody on this board from like February onwards last season.

I still don't think Dumba was the best possible pick for us at #7, but I believe that Dumba can and should turn out into a good defender. I'm not really worried about our guy much.

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03-28-2013, 10:13 AM
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I was a pretty bad Dumba hater I will admit. However I changed my opinion slightly because of the way Wild handled him during camp. They kept him with the team and I'm sure work his ass off teaching him what he needs to know to make the team next year and make an impact.

I doubt the staff kept him here for two weeks just to fly and skate warmups I think the brass feels he can come in next year and play, getting eased into the top 4 role.

At this point I will trust what GMCF has to say on prospects

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03-28-2013, 10:17 AM
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I was a pretty bad Dumba hater I will admit. However I changed my opinion slightly because of the way Wild handled him during camp. They kept him with the team and I'm sure work his ass off teaching him what he needs to know to make the team next year and make an impact.

I doubt the staff kept him here for two weeks just to fly and skate warmups I think the brass feels he can come in next year and play, getting eased into the top 4 role.

At this point I will trust what GMCF has to say on prospects
This...Flahr and Co. deserves props for their drafting so far. When Brodin was picked, there was a collective "WHO?" from many Wild fans. I'm going to trust that they made the right choice in picking Dumba as well.

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03-28-2013, 10:33 AM
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To this day I still have no idea how they justify Bennett's and Schwartz's rankings. But, ya.

Meanwhile, Zucker can't find his way in any of these lists.

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03-28-2013, 10:54 AM
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21. Brodin
27. Dumba
36. Coyle

They haven't done the top twenty, and I'm assuming we only get Granlund in there. No Zucker, Larsson, or goalies.

Wild top 20 rankings

1. Granlund
2. Brodin
3. Coyle
4. Dumba
5. Zucker
6. Larsson
7. Hackett
8. Kuemper
9. Phillips
10. Haula
11. Lucia
12. Gustafsson
13. Graovac
14. Fontaine
15. Bulmer
16. Bussieres
17. Cuma
18. Gunnarsson
19. Bertschy
20. Draeger

Bulmer dropping down the list, Graovac rising, why the hell is Cuma still on there?

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03-28-2013, 10:59 AM
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Brodin
Granlund
Zucker
Coyle
Dumba
Larsson
Haula
Hackett
Lucia
Kuemper
Phillips
Gustafsson
Graovac
Bussieres

None of our guys in the NHL will technically graduate this year, right? Not enough games?

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03-28-2013, 11:02 AM
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Here's my revised top ~20 ranking:

1. Jonas Brodin - 9.0B
T2. Charlie Coyle - 7.5B
T2. Jason Zucker - 7.5B
4. Mikael Granlund - 8.0C
T5. Mat Dumba - 7.5C
T5. Johan Larsson - 7.5C
T5. Matt Hackett - 7.5C
T5. Darcy Kuemper - 7.5C
T9. Mario Lucia - 7.0C
T9. Erik Haula - 7.0C
T9. Johan Gustafsson - 7.0C
T9. Tyler Graovac - 7.0C
T9. Raphael Bussieres - 7.0C
14. David McIntyre - 6.0B
15. Zack Phillips - 7.5D
16. Justin Fontaine - 6.5C
T17. Adam Gilmour - 7.0D
T17. Danniel Gunnarsson - 7.0D
T19. Brett Bulmer - 6.0C
T19. Steven Kampfer - 6.0C
T19. Carson McMillan - 6.0C

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03-28-2013, 11:10 AM
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That is a pretty great revised ratings Jarick

I would have Phillips a little higher just based on his potential. I still think I would have Granlund above Zucker, and this is coming from a Granlund hater. But overall that list is right on imo.

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03-28-2013, 11:11 AM
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Here's my revised top ~20 ranking:

1. Jonas Brodin - 9.0B
T2. Charlie Coyle - 7.5B
T2. Jason Zucker - 7.5B
4. Mikael Granlund - 8.0C
T5. Mat Dumba - 7.5C
T5. Johan Larsson - 7.5C
T5. Matt Hackett - 7.5C
T5. Darcy Kuemper - 7.5C
T9. Mario Lucia - 7.0C
T9. Erik Haula - 7.0C
T9. Johan Gustafsson - 7.0C
T9. Tyler Graovac - 7.0C
T9. Raphael Bussieres - 7.0C
14. David McIntyre - 6.0B
15. Zack Phillips - 7.5D
16. Justin Fontaine - 6.5C
T17. Adam Gilmour - 7.0D
T17. Danniel Gunnarsson - 7.0D
T19. Brett Bulmer - 6.0C
T19. Steven Kampfer - 6.0C
T19. Carson McMillan - 6.0C
I think you pretty much nailed it but I'd put Draeger in the top 20.

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03-28-2013, 11:20 AM
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Brodin might have to be tamed down to an 8.5B for non-Wild fans.

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03-28-2013, 11:59 AM
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My top 10. Always find it interesting how high guys are rated that are playing junior and college hockey. Guys like Bulmer and Phillips could be playing junior still or would be sophmores--but are grinding it out at the pro level, while a guy like Haula who everbody loves is a 2009 drafted kid, unlike Phillips who is a 2011 drafted kid.
Brodin..steady and mature beyond years
Coyle..man strength, committed athlete
Zucker..speed, speed and more speed
Larrson....really like this kid !
Dumba..but have concerns
Kuemper..mentally tough
Hackett
Phillips...potential, Minny handoing correctly--slow and having to earn icetime.
Bulmer..proved he could play in league at 19--tough year, but long path ahead
Lucia..improved alot since RBC Cup last year in Canada when I watched him--terrific pro body, just needs to fill out.

Jason Fontaine, I realize he is older, but this guy just needs a shot, can really play !

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03-28-2013, 12:05 PM
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My top 10. Always find it interesting how high guys are rated that are playing junior and college hockey. Guys like Bulmer and Phillips could be playing junior still or would be sophmores--but are grinding it out at the pro level, while a guy like Haula who everbody loves is a 2009 drafted kid, unlike Phillips who is a 2011 drafted kid.
Brodin..steady and mature beyond years
Coyle..man strength, committed athlete
Zucker..speed, speed and more speed
Larrson....really like this kid !
Dumba..but have concerns
Kuemper..mentally tough
Hackett
Phillips...potential, Minny handoing correctly--slow and having to earn icetime.
Bulmer..proved he could play in league at 19--tough year, but long path ahead
Lucia..improved alot since RBC Cup last year in Canada when I watched him--terrific pro body, just needs to fill out.

Jason Fontaine, I realize he is older, but this guy just needs a shot, can really play !
Great points on guys in AHL versus players in college or junior.

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03-28-2013, 12:23 PM
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To this day I still have no idea how they justify Bennett's and Schwartz's rankings. But, ya.

Meanwhile, Zucker can't find his way in any of these lists.
Schwartz at #18. Oh man.

Ahead of Brodin. Man oh man.


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03-28-2013, 12:26 PM
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Schwartz at #15. Oh man.

Ahead of Granlund AND Brodin. Man oh man.
Hoooooooowwwww?

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03-28-2013, 12:27 PM
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My top 10. Always find it interesting how high guys are rated that are playing junior and college hockey. Guys like Bulmer and Phillips could be playing junior still or would be sophmores--but are grinding it out at the pro level, while a guy like Haula who everbody loves is a 2009 drafted kid, unlike Phillips who is a 2011 drafted kid.
Brodin..steady and mature beyond years
Coyle..man strength, committed athlete
Zucker..speed, speed and more speed
Larrson....really like this kid !
Dumba..but have concerns
Kuemper..mentally tough
Hackett
Phillips...potential, Minny handoing correctly--slow and having to earn icetime.
Bulmer..proved he could play in league at 19--tough year, but long path ahead
Lucia..improved alot since RBC Cup last year in Canada when I watched him--terrific pro body, just needs to fill out.

Jason Fontaine, I realize he is older, but this guy just needs a shot, can really play !
Wheres Granlund? And its Justin Fontaine dude!

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03-28-2013, 01:03 PM
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Yeah their list is embarrassing this year but it doesn't effect how they play, so who cares really?

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Wow any ranking where Brodin isn't top 5 is pure fish ****. This kid plays harder minutes then a vet and makes it look like he's been here a decade.

There is very few under 21 players I would take over Brodin right now, very very few.

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Schwartz at #18. Oh man.

Ahead of Brodin. Man oh man.
Whoever is watching the WCHA and writes for them, well, lets just say I have many issues.

Schwartz and Bennett shouldn't be on this list at all. Both Nick Bjugstad and Brock Nelson are significantly better prospects.

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03-28-2013, 01:20 PM
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I'd put it as

1. Brodin
2. Granlund
3. Dumba
4. Coyle
5. Zucker
6. Larsson
7. Hackett
8. Lucia
9. Kuemper
10. Gravoc/Haula/Bussieres these 3 are all pretty even for me
13. Phillips
14. Gustafson
15. Gunnarson

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Here's my revised top ~20 ranking:

1. Jonas Brodin - 9.0B
T2. Charlie Coyle - 7.5B
T2. Jason Zucker - 7.5B
4. Mikael Granlund - 8.0C
T5. Mat Dumba - 7.5C
T5. Johan Larsson - 7.5C
T5. Matt Hackett - 7.5C
T5. Darcy Kuemper - 7.5C
T9. Mario Lucia - 7.0C
T9. Erik Haula - 7.0C
T9. Johan Gustafsson - 7.0C
T9. Tyler Graovac - 7.0C
T9. Raphael Bussieres - 7.0C
14. David McIntyre - 6.0B
15. Zack Phillips - 7.5D
16. Justin Fontaine - 6.5C
T17. Adam Gilmour - 7.0D
T17. Danniel Gunnarsson - 7.0D
T19. Brett Bulmer - 6.0C
T19. Steven Kampfer - 6.0C
T19. Carson McMillan - 6.0C
I like Brodin a lot 'cos his mistake percent is low but I understand that he's got to improve his offensive precence and physicality. He is safe but I really don't know what his ceiling is. He has not produced at any level yet so I'm not gonna assume he'll be elite. He is value but I wouldn't rate him above for example Zucker what comes to ceilings.

Coyle hasn't exactly been the guy for the first line but he has shown that he's a promising young power forward. Valuable for any team and I think has skill to add to his strength, hence has a higher ceiling than that.

Almost same goes to Jason Zucker. He's a speedy gonzalez and has potential to be a fine scorer/finisher. He can play fast and think fast and has shown he can make some high level plays as well.

Dumba is a wildcard. He could bust or he could become a great offensive/physical defenseman or somewhere in between. I wouldn't rank him as low as that.


I'd rank these guys from 8.0 to 8.5 but the letter would vary.

Imma add "IMO".


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Good call. They could be 8.0B's I suppose. Maybe C's. But probably should be 8.0's.

Another way to look at it, other than by spot on the depth chart, something like NHL ranking:

10. ~ generational talent
9.0 ~ top 5 at their position (elite)
8.0 ~ top 30 at their position (very good)
7.0 ~ top 60 at their position (good)

Probably applies more to forwards, but just an idea.

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Good call. They could be 8.0B's I suppose. Maybe C's. But probably should be 8.0's.

Another way to look at it, other than by spot on the depth chart, something like NHL ranking:

10. ~ generational talent
9.0 ~ top 5 at their position (elite)
8.0 ~ top 30 at their position (very good)
7.0 ~ top 60 at their position (good)

Probably applies more to forwards, but just an idea.
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/playerprojections/

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They may need to revise that, I think most people would consider Brodeur and Lidstrom generation talents

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