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04-29-2013, 07:21 AM
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ATD Baseball Round 4 ALCS: Superbas (1) vs Eagles (2)

Brooklyn Superbas (1) vs Newark Eagles (2)

Brooklyn:

Manager: Miller Huggins

Lineup:

CF: Richie Ashburn (L)
SS: Pop Lloyd (L)
RF: Babe Ruth (L)
1B: Mark McGwire (R)
3B: Miguel Cabrera (R)
LF: Goose Goslin (L)
C: Roy Campanella (R)
2B: Jeff Kent (2B)

Bench:

OF: Jim Rice (R)
3B/SS: John McGraw (L)
2B: Bill Mazeroski (R)
C: Roger Bresnahan (R)
OF/1B: Joe Carter (R)
SS/2B/OF: Monte Ward (L)
OF: Bob Caruthers (L)

Rotation:

1. Bob Gibson (R)
2. Bob Feller (R)
3. Willie Foster (L)
4. Ron Guidry (L)
5. Albert Spalding (R)

Bullpen:

Waite Hoyt (R)
Wilbur Wood (L)
Jesse Orosco (L)
Mark Eichhorn (R)
Bob Caruthers (R)
Monte Ward (R)
Hoyt Wilhelm (R)

Newark Eagles:

Manager: Leo Durocher

Lineup:

1. Rod Carew - 2B (L)
2. Al Kaline - RF (R)
3. Ted Williams - LF (L)
4. Alex Rodriguez - SS (R)
5. Jeff Bagwell - 1B (R)
6. Scott Rolen - 3B (R)
7. Ted Simmons - C (S)
8. Andrew Jones - CF (R)
9. Pitcher's Spot

Bench:

1. Max Carey - CF (S)
2. George Sisler - 1B (L)
3. Wally Schang - C (S)
4. Phil Rizzuto - SS (R)
5. Alfonso Soriano - 2B/LF (R)
6. Buddy Bell - 3B (R)

Rotation:

1. Carl Hubbell (L)
2. Gaylord Perry (R)
3. Don Sutton (R)
4. David Cone (R)
5. Smoky Joe Wood (R)

Bullpen:

1. Joe Nathan (R)
2. Pedro Luis Lazo (R)
3. John Candaleria (L)
4. Ron Perranoski (L)
5. Arthur Rhodes (L)
6. Ellis Kinder (R)

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Putting my money on the Superbas. Best team in the entire ATD imo.

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Putting my money on the Superbas. Best team in the entire ATD imo.
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Not surprised to see the Eagles and Superbas matched up, in my opinion these are clearly the best two teams.

The Eagles' linenup and depth is unmatched in my opinion, and no pitching staff -- not even one as talented as Brooklyn's -- is going to hold them silent. To me it comes down to whether or not Newark's pitching can hold up its end of the bargain. In my extremely biased opinion, it can.

As an aside, while you never feel comfortable with any pitcher against Babe Ruth, this is definitely a series in which having 3 lefties out of the 'pen will help Durocher immensely. In fact, this is the exact matchup I had in mind when I decided to grab Perranoski at the end of the draft.

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Yes, this is a great matchup. I really like the Eagles team. ARod in the mid second round was an absolute steal. Teddy Williams is the only hitter that can be considered to be on par with Ruth. And Ted Simmons was a great add as I fell he's historically underrated. Also love Hubbell and almost picked him over Feller.

So trying to be unbiased as possible (yes, I realize that is hard when I'm commenting on a matchup involving my own team), here's how I see it:

Batting:

The 3-4-5 positions are pretty comparable. Ruth-McGwire-Cabrera vs. Rodriguez-Williams-Bagwell seems like a wash. All of them are elite level power bats. In terms of leadoff men, Carew has the advantage over Ashburn becasue of the average, however Asburn had a career .397 OBP and the important thing is to get on base for the 3-4-5 guys. The rest of the order: Lloyd-Goslin-Campanella-Kent vs. Kaline-Rolen-Simmons-Jones goes to the Superbas. Not in a dominating way, but a slight advantage.

Overall, the 162-game average stats for each team are (note: counting stats exclude Pop Lloyd as none are available. Lloyd's Major League Equivalent stats are included in the ratio stats):

Superbas: .304 BA, .391 OBP, 140 OPS+, 104 R, 30 HR, 109 RBI, 7 SB
Eagles: .300 BA, .387 OBP, 137 OPS+, 101 R, 27 HR, 102 RBI, 11 SB

So its really damn close.

Advantage: Superbas in a squeaker.


Defense:

Kaline, Jones, ARod, Rolen are all world class gloves. Superbas have plus defense up the middle with Lloyd, Ashburn, Campanella, but admitedly Kent and Miggy are defensive liabilities.

Advantage: Eagles


Starting pitching:

Both Gibson and Feller are better than any of the picthers on the Eagles staff (although I do have Hubbell ranked just below Feller. I almost picked Hubbell becasue of the left-handed factor, but knew I was targeting Foster and Guidry as my lefties, so just went with the better pitcher, which was Feller).

Mathups:
Gibson > Hubbell
Feller > Perry
Foster > Sutton (although this can be debated; Foster had a better peak, Sutton had the longevity)
Guidry = Brown
Spalding > Wood

Looking at Cy Young awards (including likely Cy Young awards pre-1956 as provided by Baseball1.com), the Superbas starters would have 12 Cy Youngs (Feller 5, Spalding 4, Gibson 2, Guidry 1) and 3 more out of the bullpen (Caruthers 2, Ward 1) vs the Eagles with 4 (2 each for Perry and Hubbell).

Advantage: Superbas

Bench:

Both benches seem to address the key positions, nice mix of righties and lefties, hitting and defense and speed. Eagles really only have Soriano as a power bat, while the Superbas have bother Carter and Rice. Superbas have 5 Hall of Famers on the bench, Eagles have 3.

Advantage: Superbas (slight)

Bullpen:

Not even close here. Superbas billpen is anchored with one of the best relievers of all time (Hoyt Willhem) and peppered with 3 Hall of Famers, 2 knuckleballers, a side armer, and two quality lefties. Waite Hoyt has significant World Series experience with a 1.83 ERA over 81 innings

Advantage: Superbas

So this looks like a close one. Hitting is pretty even. Eagles have the advatage in defense. Superbas have an advantage in pitching.

Superbas in 6 or 7

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As an aside, while you never feel comfortable with any pitcher against Babe Ruth, this is definitely a series in which having 3 lefties out of the 'pen will help Durocher immensely. In fact, this is the exact matchup I had in mind when I decided to grab Perranoski at the end of the draft.
The Bambino cares not what hand the pitcher hurls the ball with.

Against lefties he hit .326 with a 1.133 OPS. And he actually had a higher HR/AB ratio against lefties than righties (9.1% vs 8.3%)

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In what was one of the closest matchups in this playoffs, the Superbas narrowly edge out the Eagles in 7 games, winning the series 4-3. Pop Lloyd bats .467 in the ALCS winning MVP honors.

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Great matchup. Happy to have squeezed by the Eagles. They have a great team.

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