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02-15-2013, 11:10 AM
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With the 182nd overall selection in the 2013 HFBoards All-Time Draft the Montreal Expos are pleased to select, from DuPont Manual High School in Louisville, Kentucky, a native of Ekron, Kentucky, SS Harold Henry Reese.



One of the most accomplished defensive shortstops of all-time, Reese has perhaps best entered the popular lexicon as a result of his non-baseball related actions. When integration in the sport remained on perilous grounds prior to the 1947 integration of future teammate and double play partner Jackie Robinson, Reese -- though initially reluctant - supported the move, a huge admission from a Southern "good ole boy" and traditionalist. His teammates eventually acquiesced as well, although slowly at first, and the suggested team-wide strike of Robinson's inclusion on the roster never occurred. His support of Jackie during the latter's first season culminated in a much-debated incident prior to a game in Cincinnati (then baseball's southern-most locale next to St. Louis) when, as Jackie endured a horrific torrent of racial abuse and insults, he placed his arm around Robinson's shoulder. This momentous gesture of unity and colour-blindness secured the pair's place in history as an indelible, albeit unlikely, pair of friends, and the two would remain close with one another for the rest of their respective lives.

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Reese was a strong supporter of the first 20th century black Major League Baseball player, Jackie Robinson. He was serving a stint in the Navy when the news of Robinson's signing came. Although he had little or no experience interacting with minorities — according to Reese, his meeting Robinson marked the first time in his life that he had shaken hands with a black man — he had no particular prejudices, either. It is reported that his father had made him starkly aware of racial injustice by showing him a tree where a lynching had occurred. The modest Reese, who typically downplayed his pioneering role in helping to ease the breaking of the 80-year-old color line, said that his primary concern with regard to Robinson's arrival was the possibility of Reese losing his shortstop job. Robinson was assigned to play as the team's first baseman, and Reese retained his position.

Reese refused to sign a petition that threatened a boycott if Robinson joined the team. When a sportswriter asked Reese if he was threatened by Robinson taking his position of shortstop, Reese simply responded, "If he can take my job, he's entitled to it." When Robinson joined the Dodgers in 1947 and traveled with them during their first road trip, he was heckled by fans in Cincinnati, Ohio. During pre-game infield practice, Reese, the captain of the team, went over to Robinson, engaged him in conversation, and put his arm around his shoulder in a gesture of support which silenced the crowd. This gesture is depicted in a bronze sculpture of Reese and Robinson, created by sculptor William Behrends, that was placed at KeySpan Park in Brooklyn and unveiled on November 1, 2005.

Throughout that difficult first year in the major leagues, Reese helped keep Robinson's morale up amid all the abuse. As the 1947 season wore on, there was tacit acceptance of the fact that blacks were now playing big league ball and were probably there to stay. Robinson still got pitches thrown at him, but, as Reese recounted to author Roger Kahn, "I told him, 'You know Jack, some of these guys are throwing at you because you’re black. But others are doing it just because they plain don’t like you.'” His role in nurturing Jackie Robinson aside, 1947 was a superb year for Reese, as he batted .284 with a league-leading 104 walks. He also had a career best slugging average of .426. Their rapport soon led shortstop Reese and second baseman Robinson to become one of the most effective defensive pairs in the sport's history.
Although he is best known for the social impact he had in promoting acceptance of black players in the major leagues amongst his white counterparts, Reese was also a superb all-around player on the field. Reese was probably an average offensive player during his career (his adjusted OPS is almost dead-on 100), but he was effective at taking pitches and in scoring runs. He walked 320 times more than he struck out in his career (1210 walks to 890 strikeouts) and had a knack for getting on base as his career .366 mark makes abundantly clear. Twice he walked more than 100 times in a season and he led the league during Robinson's first season in 1947 with 104 free trips to just 67 strikeouts. He scored more than 100 runs in a season twice, although he fell just short of accomplishing the feat on six other occasions (he scored between 94 and 99 runs those seasons), and would have scored 100 runs eight seasons in a row had he not fallen just short those years. Although he had fairly limited power Reese still managed to sock 126 career home runs. He lost three of his most productive seasons between 1943-45 due to his service in the Navy during World War II, so his counting statistics are more impressive than they appear on first glance.

Defensively, Reese was one of the best around. He was worth almost 26 wins above replacement during his career at shortstop and compiled 4,040 putouts, ranking him 12th on the all-time list. He led the league in assists in the 1942 season and finished in the top five on ten other occasions. Thirteen times he would find himself in the top five in fielding percentage, leading the league in 1949, and three times he led the league in range factor from a shortstop. Forming the aforementioned effective double play tandem with Robinson, Pee Wee (as he was known due to his diminutive stature and hustle) and Jackie finished second in double plays turned three times and led the league in 1948, Robinson's first year at second base. A winner of seven National League pennants and the 1955 World Series against the Yankees (Brooklyn would lose all six other match-ups against the Bronx Bombers), Reese would make the move during the Dodgers' first season on the West Coast in 1958, but retired before their first championship in Los Angeles in 1959 as the team's captain and one of its all-time beloved players.

*10-time All-Star Game selection (3-time starter)
*2,170 career hits
*5,891 career assists (25th all-time)
*4,040 career putouts (12th all-time)
*1,246 career double plays turned (12th all-time)
*232 career stolen bases
*1,338 career runs scored
*1,210 career walks to 890 strikeouts
*3-time league leader in range factor
*4-time league leader in total putouts
*1947 National League leader in walks
*1949 National League leader in runs scored
*1952 National League leader in stolen bases
*63.1 career wins above replacement (more than Ernie Banks, Joe Cronin, and Lou Boudreau)


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02-15-2013, 11:20 AM
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*63.1 career wins above replacement (more than Ernie Banks, Joe Cronin, and Lou Boudreau)
Longevity helps. 420 more games played, 4 WAR higher

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02-15-2013, 11:23 AM
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Oh no doubt. If I get my planned next selection it will be with the notion that they have significantly more time left in their career to add to their current resume.

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02-15-2013, 11:31 AM
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Just a headsup for the draft. The Cardinals changed their User name, it's reflected on the first page. Not sure what (if any) implications that has on previous PM's used, etc.

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02-15-2013, 12:07 PM
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Milwaukee Braves select SP Luis Tiant
Dang, I was really hoping that El Tiante would slide to my next pick.

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02-15-2013, 01:08 PM
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With the 180th selection the St. Louis Cardinals select: 1B Jim Thome


-.276/.402/.554/.956
-612 HR
-1699 RBI
-67.8 WAR
-4x All-Star

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02-15-2013, 01:21 PM
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With the 181st selection the St. Louis Cardinals select: 3B Adrian Beltre


-.280/.331/.476/.807
-346 HR
-1215 RBI
-115 SB
-61.1 WAR
-22.1 dWAR
-4x Gold Glover
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02-15-2013, 01:25 PM
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Well there goes my next choice. Give me a moment here, guys.

With the 182nd selection in the 2013 HFBoards All-Time Draft the Montreal Expos are pleased to select, from Alba High School, a native of Liberty, Missouri, 3B Kenton Lloyd Boyer.



The Missouri-born Boyer was one of baseball's few stars at the hot corner for the decade-long period spanning 1955-65, during a time when quality third basemen were few and far between. One could easily argue that after him and Ron Santo, it would be almost two decades before the NL produced another hot corner commander of such distinction. An adept fielder with good range and a strong arm, Boyer racked up five Gold Glove Awards in six years while manning third-base for some competitive Cardinals squads. Between 1958 and 1964 Boyer begin a run of seven consecutive seasons of 90 RBI or more, a record that matched Pie Traynor's consecutive seasons by a third baseman. The final season of that run culminated in a World Series victory for Boyer as he hit a Grand Slam in game four of the championship against the Yankees with St. Louis down 3-0 to win the game for the Cardinals. At the end of the season he was named the NL MVP for hitting .295 with 24 home runs and a league-leading 119 RBIs. He was the first third bagger to lead the NL in RBI since XXXXX XXXXXX back in 1917.

Interestingly, Boyer also led the National League in fielding percentage by an outfielder in 1957, with a .997 mark. He spent that season patrolling centre for St. Louis before being moved back to third.

A seven time All-Star, Boyer started five games for the National League. His number 14 has also been retired by the St. Louis Cardinals, and he remains just one of two non-Hall of Fame members to receive that honour. At the time of his retirement his .462 slugging percentage ranked third on the all-time list by a primary third-baseman. Boyer's counting numbers, 2,143 hits, 282 home runs, and 1,141 RBIs would have been greater had he not missed two potentially productive seasons at the start of his career serving in the U.S. Army during the Korean War following being drafted. He also had the misfortune to play half of his games in one of the great pitching-friendly stadiums of modern times, Busch Stadium I. One statistical assessment of Boyer's career concludes the following regarding his potential lost numbers:

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Now, let’s play the “what if” scenario over those two missing years. What if Boyer had not been drafted and took over third base in 1953 instead of 1955. Losing those two years was totally out of Boyer’s control. It was not an injury or that he was slow to develop in the minor leagues. He was the next third baseman, but circumstances out of his control robbed him of two productive years. Assuming that his rookie season and subsequent sophomore slump would have happened as they did, lets add two more years worth of his 3rd through 7th year average and see where that puts us.

That would add two more seasons of 25 home runs, 88 RBIs and a .303 batting average to his totals. His career home run total would climb from 282 to 332 and his RBI total would go from 1,141 to 1,317. What were Santo’s by comparison? 342 and 1,331. Take away the Wrigley effect and Boyer’s numbers are actually better than those of Santo.

If you are fan of WAR (Wins Above Replacement), doing the same exercise would add two more years of 6 WAR to Boyer’s numbers, taking it from 53.5 to 65.5. Santo’s career WAR? 66.4.

Any way you choose to look at this, if Ron Santo is worthy of inclusion into the Hall of Fame, Ken Boyer should be automatic.
*Career 58.7 wins above replacement
*Career 116 OPS+
*5-time Gold Glove Award winner
*7-time All-Star Game selection
*1957 National League fielding leader (outfield)
*1964 National League RBI leader
*1964 National League MVP Award
*1964 ML Major League Player of the Year Award


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02-15-2013, 01:53 PM
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Ed Delahanty for Detroit Tigers' skipped pick

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02-15-2013, 07:08 PM
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A pm would have been nice. I'll snatch up Rafael Palmeiro

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02-15-2013, 07:34 PM
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Milwaukee Braves select SP CC Sabathia


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The Houston Astros select as both a player and their manager, Catcher Joe Torre.

Write up to come later.

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02-15-2013, 11:27 PM
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The Houston Astros select as both a player and their manager, Catcher Joe Torre.

Write up to come later.
He needs to be one or the other

"Each team will draft a complete roster, with a total of 25 players and one manager (grand total of 26 draft picks)"

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He needs to be one or the other

"Each team will draft a complete roster, with a total of 25 players and one manager (grand total of 26 draft picks)"
I select him at Catcher then thanks =)

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Well it is about time that this guy is taken. Normally I am not huge on taking active players, but considering some of the players that have been taken so far, this man is far overdue. He had an incredible six year period where he won two cy's and was top-3 four times....

SP - Johan Santana



Stats from 2002-2010:
* Record: 130-66
* ERA: 2.90
* IP: 1779.0
* H: 1457
* K: 1785
* BB: 458
* WHIP: 1.08

Accomplishments:
* 2x Cy Young Winner
* Finishes in Cy Young Races: 1,1,3,3,5,7
* 3x ERA Leader
* 3x WAR Leader
* 4x WHIP Leader

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The Worcester Worcesters are proud to select..



C Thurman Munson

Batting average .292
Hits 1,558
Home runs 113
Runs batted in 701


2 World Series champion (1977, 1978)
1976 AL MVP
7 All-Star (1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978)
3 Gold Glove Award winner (1973, 1974, 1975)
1970 AL Rookie of the Year
New York Yankees team captain (1976–1979)
New York Yankees #15 retired

I am interested to see how you guys judge how many years he played.

RIP

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Also, Joe Torre has been selected has a catcher, can he be selected has a manager as well?

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Yes he can be.

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02-16-2013, 05:46 AM
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Well it is about time that this guy is taken. Normally I am not huge on taking active players, but considering some of the players that have been taken so far, this man is far overdue. He had an incredible six year period where he won two cy's and was top-3 four times....

SP - Johan Santana



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* Record: 130-66
* ERA: 2.90
* IP: 1779.0
* H: 1457
* K: 1785
* BB: 458
* WHIP: 1.08

Accomplishments:
* 2x Cy Young Winner
* Finishes in Cy Young Races: 1,1,3,3,5,7
* 3x ERA Leader
* 3x WAR Leader
* 4x WHIP Leader
That was my next pick...

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02-16-2013, 07:32 AM
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Santana was robbed in 2005. Should've won 3 Cy Young's in a row. Only 2 pitchers have won 3 or more Cy Young's in a row. Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson won 4 in a row.

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The Worcester Worcesters are proud to select..



C Thurman Munson

Batting average .292
Hits 1,558
Home runs 113
Runs batted in 701


2 World Series champion (1977, 1978)
1976 AL MVP
7 All-Star (1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978)
3 Gold Glove Award winner (1973, 1974, 1975)
1970 AL Rookie of the Year
New York Yankees team captain (19761979)
New York Yankees #15 retired

I am interested to see how you guys judge how many years he played.

RIP
Munson had a good arm behind the plate. Here's a list of the highest percentage s of throwing out baserunners. Munson had the 8th best season. Of course, my catcher, Campanella, pretty much owns the list. The rest of the catchers will not be taken in this draft.

SB CS CS%
1 Roy Campanella 1951 BRO 15 32 68.1
2 Roy Campanella 1948 BRO 11 23 67.6
3 Roy Campanella 1952 BRO 17 30 63.8
4 XXXXXXXXX 1966 CLE 17 28 62.2
5 Roy Campanella 1950 BRO 21 34 61.8
6 Roy Campanella 1949 BRO 15 24 61.5
7 XXXXXXXXXXX 1959 CIN 19 29 60.4
8 Thurman Munson 1971 NYA 22 33 60.0
9 XXXXXXXXXXXX 1963 CHN 27 40 59.7
10 XXXXXXXXXXXX 1964 LAN 19 28 59.6
11 XXXXXXXXXXXX 1959 LAN 17 24 58.5
11 XXXXXXXXXXXX 1958 BOS 17 24 58.5
11 Roy Campanella 1953 BRO 17 24 58.5

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The Worcester Worcesters are proud to select..



C Thurman Munson

Batting average .292
Hits 1,558
Home runs 113
Runs batted in 701


2 World Series champion (1977, 1978)
1976 AL MVP
7 All-Star (1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978)
3 Gold Glove Award winner (1973, 1974, 1975)
1970 AL Rookie of the Year
New York Yankees team captain (19761979)
New York Yankees #15 retired

I am interested to see how you guys judge how many years he played.

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I was on the fence between Munson and Torre for my next pick. Guess I don't have to worry about that decision anymore.

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Munson is a great pick. He was a ridiculous postseason hitter too.

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The Pittsburgh Crawfords are pleased to select their third player from the NEL and another that plays in the middle of the diamond, OF - Cristobal Torriente. Torriente was a 9 time all-star in the NEL and noted NEL historian, John Holway placed Torriente on his all-time NEL team in one of the 3 outfield spots (along with Charleston and Stearnes).
He hit a whopping .436 vs major league competition and was known for his rifle arm in centerfield (he also had an excellent pitching career).

- BBHOF (2006)
- Ranked as the 67th best player of all-time by Bill James
- Career Major League Equivalents:
- .320 Batting Average
- 2538 Hits
- .393 OBP%
- 315 Stolen Bases
- 142 OPS+

Think of Torriente as a centerfield version of Vladimir Guerrero, only with a bit more plate discipline/speed and a bit less power.

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Munson was my next pick...

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