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01-21-2013, 05:30 AM
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The Firebirds are proud to announce our first round draft pick of the ATD 2013.



Bryan Trottier, C

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01-21-2013, 05:33 AM
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Perhaps you're correct, but if we had picked 6th we would have taken Shore. I'm not trying to speak for everyone so please don't take my post as disagreeing with you. I'm simply offering one team's opinion.
I think many people view Shore as weaker defensively and more of a loose cannon than he really was. But I'll reserve judgment until I'm done with my research. At this point, Eddie is still something of an unknown commodity...the only one within the top half of the 1st round, really. I'm surprised that there hasn't been more in-depth research done on his career to this point.

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01-21-2013, 05:34 AM
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And the aversion around starting one's team with a pure offensive player (not named Gretzky or Lemieux). I think this even counts for Eddie Shore, although we shall see if that is justified or not. Seeing Shore and Hull fall out of the top-10 is strange to me.

I actually think it is easier to start building the offense around a winger simply because the center position is so much deeper, but to each his own.

edit: I've got a pretty good idea how I would build around Bobby, but it is unconventional and would not be that easy to pull off in terms of getting the right support personnel. I am curious to see what MadAr has up his sleeve.
I never quite understood what's with the 'hard to build around' with Hull to be honest. He worked well with pretty much anyone, and I do not subscribe to the 'too many skilled players for one puck' mantra. I have nothing prepared yet, but I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth.

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01-21-2013, 05:36 AM
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Shore is the first guy who I will be researching. He is such an icon, and yet it is troubling to me how little specific knowledge we have about precisely what he did and did not do in his career. I aim to remedy that problem. Reds, if you're interested, I'll post my findings on Eddie's career in the Dirt thread over the next few weeks.
That'd be great. Cheers!

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01-21-2013, 05:42 AM
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I never quite understood what's with the 'hard to build around' with Hull to be honest. He worked well with pretty much anyone, and I do not subscribe to the 'too many skilled players for one puck' mantra. I have nothing prepared yet, but I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth.
Agreed. I never thought he'd fall to 12. I was just hoping you or Reds would go off the board with Trottier and I'd swoop in and get Shore or Hull.


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01-21-2013, 05:46 AM
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I never quite understood what's with the 'hard to build around' with Hull to be honest. He worked well with pretty much anyone, and I do not subscribe to the 'too many skilled players for one puck' mantra. I have nothing prepared yet, but I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth.
Finding a center who would work well with Hull was an issue in Chicago his entire time there.

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01-21-2013, 05:46 AM
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Could someone text/phone call Leaf Lander to get him to make his roster post!

It's holding up the next division.

And LL may not log on for days (I sent him a PM but don't think he'll be around much, expecting his next pick is near the end of round 2 and he, well, disappears).

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01-21-2013, 06:40 AM
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Shore is the first guy who I will be researching. He is such an icon, and yet it is troubling to me how little specific knowledge we have about precisely what he did and did not do in his career. I aim to remedy that problem. Reds, if you're interested, I'll post my findings on Eddie's career in the Dirt thread over the next few weeks.
i did a lot of reading in newspapers about shore a couple of drafts ago (was hoping to get shore, but got bobby hull). i found many interesting things, and posted some of it in the dirt thread.

that is also how i got into researching the origins of the power play. imo, shore's ability to control and dictate play, and his importance to boston, and to the NHL more generally, is not very well appreciated. shore was a huge superstar who was a big draw on the road, even though he was widely hated. i found a poll of writers and editors from 1934 in which shore as voted by a very wide margin the NHL's biggest box office attraction. shore got 24 votes. TML got 6 and NYR got 1.

red storey said shore was the bobby orr of his era. shore was often the spearhead of boston's attack, and was central in boston's "power plays," and apparently also in "pressure hockey."

shore is also one of the earliest known divers.

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01-21-2013, 06:52 AM
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Finding a center who would work well with Hull was an issue in Chicago his entire time there.
You'd ideally like someone with wheels to even keep up with him, that's for sure.

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i did a lot of reading in newspapers about shore a couple of drafts ago (was hoping to get shore, but got bobby hull). i found many interesting things, and posted some of it in the dirt thread.

that is also how i got into researching the origins of the power play. imo, shore's ability to control and dictate play, and his importance to boston, and to the NHL more generally, is not very well appreciated. shore was a huge superstar who was a big draw on the road, even though he was widely hated. i found a poll of writers and editors from 1934 in which shore as voted by a very wide margin the NHL's biggest box office attraction. shore got 24 votes. TML got 6 and NYR got 1.

red storey said shore was the bobby orr of his era. shore was often the spearhead of boston's attack, and was central in boston's "power plays," and apparently also in "pressure hockey."

shore is also one of the earliest known divers.
For those who haven't read what you have posted about power plays, originally the power play referred to any situation with four or five skaters on the attack in the offensive zone for an extended period of time, instead of just three forwards and an occasional blueline rusher. It was often used with a man advantage but was also used at even strength.

And yes, many sources show that Shore was a pioneer in the use of the power play, and Boston's attack was built around his ability to execute the power play.

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01-21-2013, 07:22 AM
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You'd ideally like someone with wheels to even keep up with him, that's for sure.

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For those who haven't read what you have posted about power plays, originally the power play referred to any situation with four or five skaters on the attack in the offensive zone for an extended period of time, instead of just three forwards and an occasional blueline rusher. It was often used with a man advantage but was also used at even strength.

And yes, many sources show that Shore was a pioneer in the use of the power play, and Boston's attack was built around his ability to execute the power play.
thanks. i had included a short description of ES power plays in that post, but mistakenly deleted it when i was revising it to make the post shorter.

early in shore's career, it was conventional to leave d-men standing in the neutral zone while F's attacked. or sometimes a F would stay back while a d-man joined the attack. shore was central in a new, more offensive style of hockey.

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01-21-2013, 08:13 AM
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And the aversion around starting one's team with a pure offensive player (not named Gretzky or Lemieux). I think this even counts for Eddie Shore, although we shall see if that is justified or not. Seeing Shore and Hull fall out of the top-10 is strange to me.
It does not count Shore. My research into him says that he was a great defensive player in the second half of his career.

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01-21-2013, 08:48 AM
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It does not count Shore. My research into him says that he was a great defensive player in the second half of his career.
shore was also more disciplined in 2nd half of his career.

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01-21-2013, 10:05 AM
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The Millionares are going to make defenceman Red Kelly the 15th pick.

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The Millionares are going to make defenceman Red Kelly the 15th pick.
very good pick

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very good pick
Thanks.

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The Millionares are going to make defenceman Red Kelly the 15th pick.
Fiddlesticks, Kelly was the guy I was going to draft.

In any event the Blades select the other guy on their shortlist. The Blades are pleased to select Centre Bobby Clarke at Pick #16 in the 2013 ATD.



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Fiddlesticks, Kelly was the guy I was going to draft.

In any event the Blades select the other guy on their shortlist. The Blades are pleased to select Centre Bobby Clarke at Pick #16 in the 2013 ATD.



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I had a feeling he was next on your ranking for some reason. Nice pick, and he's very highly respected around here.

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very good pick
Yeah Kelly was number 1 on our short list.

Solid pick.

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I'll admit I'm a fan of Bobby Clarke, but I don't understand why he's been picked under Bryan Trottier in two straight draft. Actually, I thought Trottier being picked in the mid-teens was an exception last year. I still have a few forwards & goaltenders over him.

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Going to put this guy closer to where he belongs in the draft:

With our first pick of the ATD 2013, the Guelph Platers select,



RW, Jaromir Jagr


Pming the next guys

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01-21-2013, 10:48 AM
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Going to put this guy closer to where he belongs in the draft:

With our first pick of the ATD 2013, the Guelph Platers select,



RW, Jaromir Jagr


Pming the next guys
You...


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Going to put this guy closer to where he belongs in the draft:

With our first pick of the ATD 2013, the Guelph Platers select,



RW, Jaromir Jagr


Pming the next guys
Oh you're such a *******.

Our short list is pretty much decimated, as it went Kelly, Jagr, Trottier, Clarke. Going to have to confer with Dreakmur.

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Jaromir Jagr definitely belong in the Top-20 I think. A good spot for him.

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