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02-05-2013, 11:01 PM
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IMO your trade was much different than the one that you made that comment about. Let's look at them...

to: Hartford Whalers: 135th, 188th & 316th
to: Minnesota Fighting Saints: 140th, 181st & 309st

To Hershey: 199, 314, 442
To Kenora: 191, 319, 450


You were giving up 5 now for 7 about 45 picks later and then getting another 7 175 picks later.

The other trade was giving up 8 now for 5 125 later and 8 more 250 later.


Look how much longer Hershey has to wait to get the full 8 spots they gave up back, and look how much less total picks they get in the end comapred to what they gave up. You are gaining 14 picks for 5, they are gaining 13 picks for 8.

I certainly don't think it's vetoable, I just think Hershey should have been compensated more.
My point is, not knowing what you are gaining in the future does not mean you can't get a player you want and wouldn't be able to get otherwise.

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02-07-2013, 07:19 AM
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I'd like to move up

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02-08-2013, 07:14 AM
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I would be interested in moving up a bit from 220. Standard 2 for 1 trade. I'll be back online later today.

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02-08-2013, 08:21 PM
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Trade

Trade proposed, agreed upon. To be confirmed. Needs permission.

To: Ottawa
#213 / #236

To: Boston
#217 / #232

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02-08-2013, 08:22 PM
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Trade proposed, agreed upon. To be confirmed. Needs permission.

To: Ottawa
#213 / #236

To: Boston
#217 / #232
Confirmed.

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02-08-2013, 08:22 PM
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Trade proposed, agreed upon. To be confirmed. Needs permission.

To: Ottawa
#213 / #236

To: Boston
#217 / #232
I would have given you more than this to move up...

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02-08-2013, 08:28 PM
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I would have given you more than this to move up...
Thought about it but I'm thinking my guy is desirable and didn't want to drop down too much....could still drop down some more.....but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Talk after a few picks?

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02-08-2013, 08:30 PM
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Doh, just saw your previous post.

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02-08-2013, 09:24 PM
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Trade proposed, agreed upon. To be confirmed. Needs permission.

To: Ottawa
#213 / #236

To: Boston
#217 / #232
That's easy to approve.

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02-08-2013, 10:09 PM
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That should be vetoable in my book because he literally gave up the higher value pick for nothing in return, but in the grand scheme of things it's not going to kill the draft.

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02-08-2013, 10:28 PM
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That should be vetoable in my book because he literally gave up the higher value pick for nothing in return, but in the grand scheme of things it's not going to kill the draft.
No, he gave up 232 for 236, but I really don't like it. If I was on the committee, that would be a big no.

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02-08-2013, 11:26 PM
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02-09-2013, 12:45 AM
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Wouldn't mind trading down from 218 (and preferably up from 274 or 295) if anyone's interested.


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02-09-2013, 01:06 AM
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What is the big deal?

We switched 4 whole places.

Ottawa gets a sooner pick for something they want now while I cross my fingers and hope the guy I want doesn't get picked.

I get 4 places closer to a later pick while Ottawa drops 4.....this isn't like a 20 or 30 pick swing here.

How ****ing different is this from the Hershey / Kenosha deal? That was an 8 pick swing!

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02-09-2013, 01:48 AM
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I'm refraining from voting on this particular trade, because I actually need time to worry about my own team and this thread is starting to annoy me through no fault of anyone. Hopefully the rest of the trading committee can make a decision.

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02-09-2013, 01:55 AM
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That should be vetoable in my book because he literally gave up the higher value pick for nothing in return, but in the grand scheme of things it's not going to kill the draft.
It's not our job to convince people that they are losing a trade. It's not our job to ensure every trade is exactly fair. That would result in very few trades, since there is almost always a clear winner and lose.


Our only job is to ensure the competitive balance of the draft is not disrupted by extreme trades.

This trade is easy to approve...

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02-09-2013, 01:57 AM
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This thread is getting stupid.

Trades where you're swapping 1 and 401 for 4 and 398 are clearly unbalanced because 3 points now isn't worth 3 points later. But in the 200s? Who cares?

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02-09-2013, 02:00 AM
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02-09-2013, 02:04 AM
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I veto that!!!

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02-09-2013, 02:07 AM
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It's not our job to convince people that they are losing a trade. It's not our job to ensure every trade is exactly fair. That would result in very few trades, since there is almost always a clear winner and lose.


Our only job is to ensure the competitive balance of the draft is not disrupted by extreme trades.

This trade is easy to approve...
Agreed.

I don't think that trade is anywhere near worth vetoing.

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02-09-2013, 02:11 AM
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This thread is getting stupid.

Trades where you're swapping 1 and 401 for 4 and 398 are clearly unbalanced because 3 points now isn't worth 3 points later. But in the 200s? Who cares?
I'm avoiding voting on the trade because of potential conflict of interest / general annoyance with the fact that my picks apparently smell funny / mild drunkenness, but I think some people are a little extra wary when it's a rookie GM giving away an OTC pick without getting compensated, even he's only moving 4 spots down.

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02-09-2013, 07:10 AM
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The trade is fine.

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02-09-2013, 08:34 AM
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There's nothing wrong with that deal. It's not perfectly balanced, but it is also not the purpose of this thread to ensure perfect balance.

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02-09-2013, 08:37 AM
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I guess I can add the trade to the OP with 4 votes for

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