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Meet #1 Replacement Player - Sidney Crosby

You know where he is ending up .. That's right .. Downtown Toronto ..

NO CBA .. NO Entry Draft

Definition of a Replacement player ... Anyone not currently a member of the NHLPA ..

Nearly every Article ..Suggests that Canadian Teams need to use Canadian born, and the USA teams US players during labour disputes for replacement workers.

So Crosby's choices 1 - 6 and Every Canadian team the same for his services ..

Now enter Mr. Larry Tannenbaum ..

He will offer Crosby a huge Signing Bonus ..$10 ,$ 15 $20 mil you pick and a very Cap friendly 1.5 M /season long term deal .. and additional sponsorship and endorsement deals in the Millions ..

MLSE will instantly have every single Season Ticket holder send in $$$$ equal to last year .. and Suites and luxury Boxes demand beyond imagine ..

With the signing of 1 single player .. using their Financial clout to outbid, outwit, outlast all others ..

Thank you Mr Goodenow and Mr Bettman for your indifferences as my team just won the Lottery ..

Which surprisingly each side will see as a win.

The NHLPA , just made Crosby his Agent very rich, the most prominent big market team in Canada very happy by circumventing the NHL proposal of 850k and no bonuses 4 year entry level contract by not signing any former offer

and

Mr. Bettman in a effort to break the Union and save TV deals and promote the game and make Replacement players work must be smiling from ear to ear, despite the initial Cash out lay or personal owner investment by MLSE

Mr Jeff Carter , Mike Richards, have your agents call me next ..

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Mr Larry Tannenbaum
MLSE

and Toronto fans just have to wait until Mats returns and the house is in order ..

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Crosby won't cross, the same as any player who thinks he has a legitimate shot at having an NHL career.

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Crosby won't cross, the same as any player who thinks he has a legitimate shot at having an NHL career.
he hasn't said one way or the other (although didn't rule it out when asked), but I don't think he will either, not next year anyway. I think he'll play in Europe next year and hope all is settled for the following year.

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Crosby won't cross, the same as any player who thinks he has a legitimate shot at having an NHL career.
That is where you are wrong .. Money talks ..

The NHL proposal currently is offering a 4 year 850 K max with no signing and limited performance bonuses for only Trophy wins ..

So lets look at this Subjectively .. Crosby can turn down the Toronto offer of 20 mil signing bonus and 1.5 (or whatever) long term deal .. or he can wait for a new CBA the will pay him MAX 850k ..and you believe he will stand on principle .. When the Toronto offer alone is more then he will make his entire NHL career .. NOT Likely IMO ..

and The NHLPA will silently endorse it .. Talk about the NHLPA taking the best interests of its clients to heart an making Crosby an instant Millionaire ..

If Sidney does not cross and technically he is not going against the NHLPA because he is not a member currently of the Union ..

Here is the insert from TSN : http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=116794&hubName=nhl

His agent Pat Brisson yesterday refused to answer the Replacement question many times in regards to his Client ..

Brisson, though, was less emphatic when asked what he'd do if Crosby wanted to become a replacement player.

''I can't answer that,'' Brisson said when asked repeatedly if he'd drop the Rimouski Oceanic star if that scenario arose.

But with no NHL draft this season - the result of commissioner Gary Bettman cancelling the 2004-'05 season last month - Brisson said Europe could be a viable alternative for Crosby next season.

''It could be,'' Brisson said. ''If there is no season it is an option, there is no doubt.

You can bet that was discussed in the NHLPA / agents meeting yesterday ...

You think Tucker and McCabe standing outside the ACC with pickett signs are going to have any problem with Sidney joining the team??

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No CBA, any reason these undrafted players can't be signed to a personal services contract?

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That is where you are wrong .. Money talks ..

The NHL proposal currently is offering a 4 year 850 K max with no signing and limited performance bonuses for only Trophy wins ..

So lets look at this Subjectively .. Crosby can turn down the Toronto offer of 20 mil signing bonus and 1.5 (or whatever) long term deal .. or he can wait for a new CBA the will pay him MAX 850k ..and you believe he will stand on principle .. When the Toronto offer alone is more then he will make his entire NHL career .. NOT Likely IMO ..

and The NHLPA will silently endorse it .. Talk about the NHLPA taking the best interests of its clients to heart an making Crosby an instant Millionaire ..

If Sidney does not cross and technically he is not going against the NHLPA because he is not a member currently of the Union ..

Here is the insert from TSN : http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=116794&hubName=nhl

His agent Pat Brisson yesterday refused to answer the Replacement question many times in regards to his Client ..

Brisson, though, was less emphatic when asked what he'd do if Crosby wanted to become a replacement player.

''I can't answer that,'' Brisson said when asked repeatedly if he'd drop the Rimouski Oceanic star if that scenario arose.

But with no NHL draft this season - the result of commissioner Gary Bettman cancelling the 2004-'05 season last month - Brisson said Europe could be a viable alternative for Crosby next season.

''It could be,'' Brisson said. ''If there is no season it is an option, there is no doubt.

You can bet that was discussed in the NHLPA / agents meeting yesterday ...

You think Tucker and McCabe standing outside the ACC with pickett signs are going to have any problem with Sidney joining the team??
Crosby is more concern with the good of the game than his on financial gains. Why didn't he jump on the WHA bandwagon if he was so money hungry? I think he'll wait at least a year, and agree that he won't cross. Wouldn't mind seeing him in the White and Blue, but just don't think it will happen.

edit: I think I need to clarify the first statement. I think he is more interested in his long time NHL career, and the ramifications of crossing the picket line, than he is in getting big bucks now.

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That is where you are wrong .. Money talks ..

The NHL proposal currently is offering a 4 year 850 K max with no signing and limited performance bonuses for only Trophy wins ..

So lets look at this Subjectively .. Crosby can turn down the Toronto offer of 20 mil signing bonus and 1.5 (or whatever) long term deal .. or he can wait for a new CBA the will pay him MAX 850k ..and you believe he will stand on principle .. When the Toronto offer alone is more then he will make his entire NHL career .. NOT Likely IMO ..

and The NHLPA will silently endorse it .. Talk about the NHLPA taking the best interests of its clients to heart an making Crosby an instant Millionaire ..

If Sidney does not cross and technically he is not going against the NHLPA because he is not a member currently of the Union ..

Here is the insert from TSN : http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=116794&hubName=nhl

His agent Pat Brisson yesterday refused to answer the Replacement question many times in regards to his Client ..

Brisson, though, was less emphatic when asked what he'd do if Crosby wanted to become a replacement player.

''I can't answer that,'' Brisson said when asked repeatedly if he'd drop the Rimouski Oceanic star if that scenario arose.

But with no NHL draft this season - the result of commissioner Gary Bettman cancelling the 2004-'05 season last month - Brisson said Europe could be a viable alternative for Crosby next season.

''It could be,'' Brisson said. ''If there is no season it is an option, there is no doubt.

You can bet that was discussed in the NHLPA / agents meeting yesterday ...

You think Tucker and McCabe standing outside the ACC with pickett signs are going to have any problem with Sidney joining the team??
A guy like Crosby will have more than enough opportunites to make money during his career. When is career is over he won't want this as part of his legacy.

As for Tucker and McCabe of course they would have a problem with any player going against the P.A.

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You know where he is ending up .. That's right .. Downtown Toronto ..

NO CBA .. NO Entry Draft

Definition of a Replacement player ... Anyone not currently a member of the NHLPA ..

Nearly every Article ..Suggests that Canadian Teams need to use Canadian born, and the USA teams US players during labour disputes for replacement workers.

So Crosby's choices 1 - 6 and Every Canadian team the same for his services ..

Now enter Mr. Larry Tannenbaum ..

He will offer Crosby a huge Signing Bonus ..$10 ,$ 15 $20 mil you pick and a very Cap friendly 1.5 M /season long term deal .. and additional sponsorship and endorsement deals in the Millions ..

MLSE will instantly have every single Season Ticket holder send in $$$$ equal to last year .. and Suites and luxury Boxes demand beyond imagine ..

With the signing of 1 single player .. using their Financial clout to outbid, outwit, outlast all others ..

Thank you Mr Goodenow and Mr Bettman for your indifferences as my team just won the Lottery ..

Which surprisingly each side will see as a win.

The NHLPA , just made Crosby his Agent very rich, the most prominent big market team in Canada very happy by circumventing the NHL proposal of 850k and no bonuses 4 year entry level contract by not signing any former offer

and

Mr. Bettman in a effort to break the Union and save TV deals and promote the game and make Replacement players work must be smiling from ear to ear, despite the initial Cash out lay or personal owner investment by MLSE

Mr Jeff Carter , Mike Richards, have your agents call me next ..

Signed
Mr Larry Tannenbaum
MLSE

and Toronto fans just have to wait until Mats returns and the house is in order ..
A signing bonus will count against the cap, so you could end up spending half of your teams payroll on one player. Leipold (Nashville owner) has just come out and said that the labour lawyers he has talk to says that the nationality of players doesn't matter for being replacement players. Even though I also thought that you had Canadian to play on Canadian team, and American to play on a US team, so may be the NHL knows a legal loophole.

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Crosby is more concern with the good of the game than his on financial gains. Why didn't he jump on the WHA bandwagon if he was so money hungry? I think he'll wait at least a year, and agree that he won't cross. Wouldn't mind seeing him in the White and Blue, but just don't think it will happen.

edit: I think I need to clarify the first statement. I think he is more interested in his long time NHL career, and the ramifications of crossing the picket line, than he is in getting big bucks now.
Crosby is not a member of the NHLPA .. His rights are not even owned by and NHL team in fact .. so he is not going against his union..

Second every NHL player already knows that Crosby will be in the NHL next season if a new CBA would have been signed .. So could for him to get a huge financial windfall is the NHLPA and player stance as they stick it to Bettman and the NHL ..

Do you believe this is going to bother the Leafs ?? Who have to miss hockey due to small market and death squad owners stoping them from doing business ..






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A signing bonus will count against the cap, so you could end up spending half of your teams payroll on one player. Leipold (Nashville owner) has just come out and said that the labour lawyers he has talk to says that the nationality of players doesn't matter for being replacement players. Even though I also thought that you had Canadian to play on Canadian team, and American to play on a US team, so may be the NHL knows a legal loophole.
Not according to the TOP IMMIGRATION Lawyer in the States .. He woud know he does it every day and he is the President after all ..

here Read this article ..

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunhera...s/10957160.htm

"Only United States residents would be able to work for U.S.-based teams, while only Canadian residents would be able to work for Canadian-based teams."
Truth is, getting replacement workers into the United States would be a rather daunting task. According to one of the nation's top immigration lawyers, who is counsel to the Washington Capitals, the league would be in uncharted waters at a time when restrictions imposed by the Department of Homeland Security are being applied to severely curtail foreigners in the American workplace.

"There are a lot of complicated regulations and there are always visa issues," said Jonathan Avirom, managing partner of Avirom & Associates in New York City.

Avirom, 66, is the former president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA). His firm specializes in every facet of immigration and in securing visas, including for entertainers and athletes.

"The Department of Labor and Immigration under Homeland Security have always said that if there is a labor dispute, they would freeze the process," Avirom said. "In other words, new people who want to play in a sport where they don't have visas, they won't get a visa while the dispute is going on."

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Crosby is not a member of the NHLPA .. His rights are not even owned by and NHL team in fact .. so he is not going against his union..

Second every NHL player already knows that Crosby will be in the NHL next season if a new CBA would have been signed .. So could for him to get a huge financial windfall is the NHLPA and player stance as they stick it to Bettman and the NHL ..

Do you believe this is going to bother the Leafs ?? Who have to miss hockey due to small market and death squad owners stoping them from doing business ..




Union members don't think that way, IMO.

Yes, he'll be there if there is a new CBA, but I don't think he's willing to risk going in as a replacement player. I believe he will wait cause it does not do him any good to play next year as a replacement player. (other than 1 years salary). Also, if the owners are together on this, and the fact they lost 1 year should suggest they are, who is going to pay 10, 15, 20 million for the kid? No one.

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Union members don't think that way, IMO.

Yes, he'll be there if there is a new CBA, but I don't think he's willing to risk going in as a replacement player. I believe he will wait cause it does not do him any good to play next year as a replacement player. (other than 1 years salary). Also, if the owners are together on this, and the fact they lost 1 year should suggest they are, who is going to pay 10, 15, 20 million for the kid? No one.

MLSE needs an intern in their business office. I'm sure with training Crosby could be a good employee, and get profit sharing

Maybe as a part time job he could play as a scab for them on the ice.

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MLSE needs an intern in their business office. I'm sure with training Crosby could be a good employee, and get profit sharing

Maybe as a part time job he could play as a scab for them on the ice.
never said they couldn't afford it.

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A signing bonus will count against the cap, so you could end up spending half of your teams payroll on one player. Leipold (Nashville owner) has just come out and said that the labour lawyers he has talk to says that the nationality of players doesn't matter for being replacement players. Even though I also thought that you had Canadian to play on Canadian team, and American to play on a US team, so may be the NHL knows a legal loophole.
AHL tried but were blocked by the US courts from using non-residents. Perhaps players who have year round homes in the US could play. I believe the issue is work permits, so once their work permit expires, they could no longer be employed as a union buster.

I'd be surprised if an owner admitted their strategy is flawed. I'd kind of put my money on the independent immigration specialist who has no stake in this dispute.

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AHL tried but were blocked by the US courts from using non-residents. Perhaps players who have year round homes in the US could play. I believe the issue is work permits, so once their work permit expires, they could no longer be employed as a union buster.

I'd be surprised if an owner admitted their strategy is flawed. I'd kind of put my money on the independent immigration specialist who has no stake in this dispute.
Players that play in the AHL on two-way contracts may be able to get permits, but players not in the teams system, it seems will not be able to play outisde of their home country. The owner might be trying to scare the players, but you know the NHL probably has team of lawyers working on this issue.

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Players that play in the AHL on two-way contracts may be able to get permits, but players not in the teams system, it seems will not be able to play outisde of their home country. The owner might be trying to scare the players, but you know the NHL probably has team of lawyers working on this issue.

Just like the union would.

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Crosby won't be a Leaf.

If he's a UFA, he'll be a Hab, if there's a draft, then somebody else will win the lottery.

Also, Tannenbaum would never offer him a 15 million signing bonus.

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Players that play in the AHL on two-way contracts may be able to get permits, but players not in the teams system, it seems will not be able to play outisde of their home country. The owner might be trying to scare the players, but you know the NHL probably has team of lawyers working on this issue.
So in your own words here ... Did you not just support my case the Crosby if he wants to play as a repalcement player has to pick 1 of the 6 Canadian teams . .

Crosby is in no ones system and in fact no one even owns his rights .. Even if the NHL lawyers get the AHL players to the NHL .. Next problem is that no owner can force a person over a Picket line if its in the union .. So even in the system players Leipold (Nashville owner) could not force Scotty Upshall, Dan Hamhuis or Jordin Tootoo to play as replacements .. as they are members of the NHLPA .. but all three being Canadian could cause them (US TEAMS) even more problems that the courts might have to rule on ..


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Crosby won't be a Leaf.

If he's a UFA, he'll be a Hab, if there's a draft, then somebody else will win the lottery.

Also, Tannenbaum would never offer him a 15 million signing bonus.
Why would be be a Hab .. He is not French Canadian .. he was born in Newfoundland .. Just becasue he is a Hab fan ..

Montreal lost lots of money last season and needed a US owner Gillett to save them .. You think they can compete with MLSE money ..

Last year Toronto made 11 mil Profit the most of any team .. on a 65 mil Salary ..

So if the new CBA is 42.5 mil hard cap there is your 20 Mil Signing bonus right there in the first year and Toronto still makes money ..

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So in your own word here ... Did you not just support my case the Crosby if he wants to play as a repalcement player has to pick 1 of the 6 Canadian teams . .

Crosby is in no ones system and in fact no one even owns his rights .. Even if the NHL lawyers get the AHL players to the NHL .. Next problem is that no owner can force a person over a Picket line if its in the union .. So even in the system players Leipold (Nashville owner) could not force Scotty Upshall, Dan Hamhuis or Jordin Tootoo to play as replacements .. as they are members of the NHLPA .. but all three being Canadian could cause them (US TEAMS) even more problems that the courts might have to rule on ..
Like I said in my original post I thought that players could only play for teams in their home countries. Then Leipold come out with his statement, and thought may be the NHL knows something we don't or he could be just trying to scare the players.

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Why would be be a Hab .. He is not French Canadian .. he was born in Newfoundland .. Just becasue he is a Hab fan ..
Nova Scotia, not Newfoundland.

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Like I said in my original post I thought that players could only play for teams in their home countries. Then Leipold come out with his statement, and thought may be the NHL knows something we don't or he could be just trying to scare the players.
Right I agree .. Your farm team is in Milwaukee .. so they currently are living and working in the US .. have US green cards so they may in fact he able to play in Nashville

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Right I agree .. Your farm team is in Milwaukee .. so they currently are living and working in the US .. have US green cards so they may in fact he able to play in Nashville
Just one small point, and I don't think you are going to like it, but I am a Hab fan.

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