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01-25-2013, 07:27 PM
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Gunnarsson for Bernier.........get er done Nonis!!!
That is not a good trade for the Leafs.

Gunnarsson has played great for the Leafs so far.

What good does trading Gunnar do if Bernier is just like Scrivens/Reimer?

No young goalie is a sure thing.

I'd trade Frason for Bernier but not Gunnar.

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01-25-2013, 07:29 PM
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I'd trade Frason for Bernier but not Gunnar.
Unfortunately Dean Lombardi might think differently.

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01-25-2013, 08:06 PM
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His cost does not fit next year.

We only have a little over 16m to sign 7/8 players and we have a long list of UFAs/RFAs.
Nice try. The Leafs are one team that is NOT in cap trouble next year.

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01-25-2013, 08:14 PM
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Lu will make us a perpetual 14-17 overall team.

And for this reason, now is not the time to get him.

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01-25-2013, 08:15 PM
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Lu will make us a perpetual 14-17 overall team.

And for this reason, now is not the time to get him.
Yes. This. Yes.

Now is not the time.

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01-25-2013, 08:35 PM
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Yes. This. Yes.

Now is not the time.
Not sure when does a 34 yr old goalie with a 10 yr (& cap circumventing) contract and $5M+ cap hit would fit in unless the team is a cup contender....oh yeah that would be a team like the Canucks. Why don't they want to keep him...makes you wonder?

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01-25-2013, 08:40 PM
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Not sure when does a 34 yr old goalie with a 10 yr (& cap circumventing) contract and $5M+ cap hit would fit in unless the team is a cup contender....oh yeah that would be a team like the Canucks. Why don't they want to keep him...makes you wonder?
I think even Canucks fans realize the chances of them dumping Luongo and his (according to them anyway) not a bad contract are becoming slim. They seem to be casting their eyes further afield for schmuck teams to take it on. Capital,Oilers and Flyers seem to be the new targets. Not that I blame them for thinking the Leafs would be dumb enough to have done it in the past.

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01-25-2013, 08:54 PM
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So did Lou nix the trade to the Leafs previously? Or it's just a rumor I've been hearing around the boards.
Nope; Nonis nixed the trade; due to the asking price being completely out of whack. There is no demand; so there is no reason to meet the whacked out asking price.

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01-25-2013, 08:57 PM
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Nope; Nonis nixed the trade; due to the asking price being completely out of whack. There is no demand; so there is no reason to meet the whacked out asking price.
Somehow Gillis hasn't acknowledged publicly yet that other than the mystery team he's going to have to be the guy sending something really good along with Luongo to get out from under that contract.

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01-25-2013, 09:07 PM
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I think even Canucks fans realize the chances of them dumping Luongo and his (according to them anyway) not a bad contract are becoming slim. They seem to be casting their eyes further afield for schmuck teams to take it on. Capital,Oilers and Flyers seem to be the new targets. Not that I blame them for thinking the Leafs would be dumb enough to have done it in the past.
If I'm Luongo and sitting with a NTC, why would I consent to being traded to anyplace that was not an upgrade or at least equal to what I had. Hockey-wise, that would have to be a clear cup contender like Vancouver is already. Personal reasons seem to put Florida up there. But I don't see how Toronto would rate that high to him unless there is a personal love for Toronto that we may not be aware of. Trying to help Toronto make the playoffs is still a significant downgrade to helping a team get the Cup. Hockey-wise, the teams that are Vancouver's current peers are_______(fill in the blanks.) Who knows, but clearly Toronto would not qualify. Of course one team that is as good as the Canucks.....is the Canucks. Vancouver is not a bad place to play a bit of goal and to be collecting a massive pay-check.

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01-25-2013, 09:09 PM
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If we can get him for a 7th and Connolly retaining half the cap is about as fair as it gets.

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01-25-2013, 09:12 PM
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Somehow Gillis hasn't acknowledged publicly yet that other than the mystery team he's going to have to be the guy sending something really good along with Luongo to get out from under that contract.
Mystery team will be always remain in mystery.

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01-25-2013, 09:15 PM
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If we can get him for a 7th and Connolly retaining half the cap is about as fair as it gets.
I'd still want something significant coming our way with Luongo.

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If we can get him for a 7th and Connolly retaining half the cap is about as fair as it gets.
More realistically, Gillis pays for half of Luongo's contract and sends him away for free.....could be what eventually happens. The problem is that Luongo gets to dictate where that will be.

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I'd still want something significant coming our way with Luongo.
Change pick to 5th add kassian? Lol


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More realistically, Gillis pays for half of Luongo's contract and sends him away for free.....could be what eventually happens. The problem is that Luongo gets to dictate where that will be.
That could be a possibility but idk if his ego will go through with that one....

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01-25-2013, 09:19 PM
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More realistically, Gillis pays for half of Luongo's contract and sends him away for free.....could be what eventually happens. The problem is that Luongo gets to dictate where that will be.
Not our problem

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01-25-2013, 09:21 PM
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We can always trade them a bag of leafs pucks for him?

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01-25-2013, 09:27 PM
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We can always trade them a bag of leafs pucks for him?
We protect a dozen marlies, Gillis can choose one from the bunch we left unprotected and we have the right to give Vancouver, Luongo's contract back after 7 years.

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01-25-2013, 09:31 PM
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I'd consider Gunnarsson for Bernier.

I really like Bernier, and I'm not THAT high on Gunnarsson. Gunnar seems to be over or underrated around here- it varies from person to person lol

He's definitely good, but replaceable.

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01-25-2013, 09:35 PM
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. Gunnar seems to be over or underrated around here- it varies from person to person lol
Have you ever considered a career in the diplomatic field?

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01-25-2013, 10:09 PM
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Everyone keeps looking at the stats for bernier, acting as if he's just like Reimer/Scrivens with their weaknesses.

What weaknesses does bernier have other than size? He seems to have a high rating on Hockey's future.(8.0B)

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If I'm Luongo and sitting with a NTC, why would I consent to being traded to anyplace that was not an upgrade or at least equal to what I had. Hockey-wise, that would have to be a clear cup contender like Vancouver is already. Personal reasons seem to put Florida up there. But I don't see how Toronto would rate that high to him unless there is a personal love for Toronto that we may not be aware of. Trying to help Toronto make the playoffs is still a significant downgrade to helping a team get the Cup. Hockey-wise, the teams that are Vancouver's current peers are_______(fill in the blanks.) Who knows, but clearly Toronto would not qualify. Of course one team that is as good as the Canucks.....is the Canucks. Vancouver is not a bad place to play a bit of goal and to be collecting a massive pay-check.
Could Vancouver waive him if they got desperate?

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01-26-2013, 02:46 AM
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Everyone keeps looking at the stats for bernier, acting as if he's just like Reimer/Scrivens with their weaknesses.

What weaknesses does bernier have other than size? He seems to have a high rating on Hockey's future.(8.0B)
Carl Gunnarsson by himself is a huge underpayment. Like I said, he went 11th overall for a reason.

The cost for Bernier would be at LEAST Gunnarsson and a second. I'd think Gunnarrsson and a mid first or Gunnarsson and a 2nd + another depth player or prospect. And that's a trade I would make if and when it becomes apparent Reimer/Scrivens won't work out in the short term.

Look at it from LA's perspective, they'd be trading and 11th overall pick who's been coming along very nicely for a standard stay at home second pairing defenseman. Absolutely moronic move on their part. Anything less than what I proposed would be a step backwards for them considered Bernier is now game ready and presumably ready for the starting role somewhere, not another prospect we'd have to wait 2 or 3 or 4 years on.

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Carl Gunnarsson by himself is a huge underpayment. Like I said, he went 11th overall for a reason.

Look at it from LA's perspective, they'd be trading and 11th overall pick who's been coming along very nicely for a standard stay at home second pairing defenseman. Absolutely moronic move on their part. Anything less than what I proposed would be a step backwards for them considered Bernier is now game ready and presumably ready for the starting role somewhere, not another prospect we'd have to wait 2 or 3 or 4 years on.
There is zero chance a 1st is involved. Gunnar and a 2nd would be a high payment IMO.

Bernier has NOT proven he is a starter, he's shown promise, but there's nothing proven about his game. You never give up quality for an unproven asset.

Why wouldn't LA want another solid defensemen for a guy that will see 10-15 games a year as a backup? Pretty solid trade if you ask me.

Gunnar and a B level prospect is the farthest I'd probably go.

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