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Holzer vs Gryba

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Holzer 24 51.06%
Gryba 23 48.94%
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02-24-2013, 10:02 AM
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Holzer vs Gryba

Who would you take and why?

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02-24-2013, 10:21 AM
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where's the poll

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02-24-2013, 10:59 AM
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Holzer looks lost in the NHL. Terrible offensively. Not physical. Below average defensively.

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02-24-2013, 11:07 AM
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Holzer looks lost in the NHL. Terrible offensively. Not physical. Below average defensively.
Okay there bud, one game does not make a player.

For a rookie on the top pairing he's done quite well actually.

He was the leading shutdown defender on the Marlies first pairing for the last 3 seasons, and has been nothing but solid in his professional career thus far.

He skates well, is good at reading the play and breaking it up, and he has a mean side to him which I really like, he clears the net well and isn't afraid to keep guys away from the crease (though he screwed up last night covering Condra).

He's very good defensively and has been for a while, he's still adjusting to the speed of the NHL but he's going to be a very good 2nd pairing shutdown d-man for a while. He played for Germany at the Olympics in 2010, played for the Marlies for 3 seasons and is more than ready for NHL action.

Sure, his offensive skills aren't amazing, but he has a decent first pass and his defensive game is great. Outside of the first 2 games he played this season and last night's game, he hasn't looked lost at all.

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02-24-2013, 11:09 AM
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Holzer looks lost in the NHL. Terrible offensively. Not physical. Below average defensively.
Lol...

Holzer has actually looked pretty good in the nhl. He's the type of defenseman that doesnt produce offensively, and saying he isn't physical just shows how much you actually know about Holzer.

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02-24-2013, 11:12 AM
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This is just made to start a war between fan bases. Both teams are happy with their 24-25 year old 6th-8th rookie Dman.

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02-24-2013, 11:15 AM
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Holzer looks lost in the NHL. Terrible offensively. Not physical. Below average defensively.
I don't care for Gryba, or Holzer, but just if you look at stats which is the hf trend, Holzer has 30 hits in 12 games. That's a sign of physicality.

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02-24-2013, 12:10 PM
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who the hell cares about which 6-7 guy is better?

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02-24-2013, 12:22 PM
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who the hell cares about which 6-7 guy is better?
Gryba is playing like a top 4

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02-24-2013, 12:32 PM
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Gryba is playing like a top 4
And Holzer is playing as our #2 that doesnt mean they arent bottom pairing D

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02-24-2013, 03:23 PM
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And Holzer is playing as our #2 that doesnt mean they arent bottom pairing D
Theres a difference between playing "like" and playing "as". Holzer may be playing as your #2 but hes not playing like a #2...which leads me to my question. How many injuries do you have to your team to need to have holzer as your #2? Last i checked you guys arent missing 4-5 defensemen...

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02-24-2013, 03:34 PM
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Theres a difference between playing "like" and playing "as". Holzer may be playing as your #2 but hes not playing like a #2...which leads me to my question. How many injuries do you have to your team to need to have holzer as your #2? Last i checked you guys arent missing 4-5 defensemen...
Carlyle hasn't really been playing our two best defensemen together at any given time. At the beginning of the season Phaneuf was paired with Kostka and now he's with Holzer, for whatever reason Carlyle enjoys having Phaneuf babysit AHL defensemen while facing top competition for 25 minutes a night. I love what Randy Carlyle has done for the Leafs and I guess I shouldn't be complaining because whatever he is doing is working, but for the life of me I can't understand why he is neglecting to put Phaneuf and Gunnarsson together. Phaneuf-Gunnar was a very effective pairing last year.

Having said that I like Holzer and Kostka, I just really don't think they belong on the top pairing and I think they're holding Phaneuf back.

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02-24-2013, 05:11 PM
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Theres a difference between playing "like" and playing "as". Holzer may be playing as your #2 but hes not playing like a #2...which leads me to my question. How many injuries do you have to your team to need to have holzer as your #2? Last i checked you guys arent missing 4-5 defensemen...
Gunnarssons playing injured, Gardiner is recuperating, and Carlyle refuses to play Liles or Komisarek so that leaves Holzer, Kostka, Fraser () and Franson who has surprising played incredible under Carlyle (but is playing ridiculously sheltered).

Not to mention our better D are LD, and Phaneuf has been playing much better at LD so even less quality RD to go around

Phaneuf
Gardiner
Gunnarsson
Liles
Rielly

vs.

Franson
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02-24-2013, 09:11 PM
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Gryba, Holzer isn't an NHL defense man.

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02-25-2013, 01:41 AM
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gryba hasnt been great in most games ive seen him in, ill take holzer.

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02-25-2013, 02:07 AM
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gryba has played 5 NHL games

holzer has played 14 NHL games

they both had 20 points in the AHL last year

i dont think there are many poeple that seen seen holzer or gryba play many game

hard to compare other than statistics

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02-25-2013, 08:35 AM
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The past really is irrelevant . It really is what they do in the next game when you are this new to the NHL. It isn't points hits TOI. It is the whole package on how you are helping/hurting your team. Having one or the other is likely subjective based on which team you have a preference for. Its like saying Crosby or Toews? They each have some similar attributes and depending on your teammates they may have very different stats.

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Holzer is awful. I remember him being one of the five Leafs in the corner leaving Staal open for the goal vs Carolina.

Gryba is much better and I'd bet he'll continue to be better in the future.

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02-25-2013, 08:51 AM
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I like what I've seen with Gryba, but he isn't really a showy guy, or anything.

Really he is a big body, and fairly smart with his play. He's better than I expected -- but I expected nothing. He could easily be our 6th-7th D man. And do a good job of it.

But I'm sure Leafs fans could say the same of Holzer. Really just a pick of a coin on this one. But since I am a Sens fan, I choose Gryba.

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Holzer is awful. I remember him being one of the five Leafs in the corner leaving Staal open for the goal vs Carolina.

Gryba is much better and I'd bet he'll continue to be better in the future.
Right, so you base Holzer's skill on one play you have seen, great. The Staal-goal was horrendous team-defense but I really don't see how you can paint Holzer as being "awful" just because of that goal, considering that he had to defend two opponents at the same time. No defenseman will look good if he has to cover multiple players.

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Right, so you base Holzer's skill on one play you have seen, great. The Staal-goal was horrendous team-defense but I really don't see how you can paint Holzer as being "awful" just because of that goal, considering that he had to defend two opponents at the same time. No defenseman will look good if he has to cover multiple players.
Don't bother, he's a master at drive-by trolling. Always purposely leaves a comment to try and piss off Leaf fans, without giving any actual analysis or proper reasoning.

So many Ottawa fans in this thread think they know Holzer based off one game

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02-25-2013, 11:07 AM
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This poll is idiotic as both guys are so early in their NHL careers and will likely both have fantastic and horrible games. There is no clear answer because both fanbases are too damn biased to make a rational argument.


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02-25-2013, 12:32 PM
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I'll take the 2010 Olympian.

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This is just made to start a war between fan bases. Both teams are happy with their 24-25 year old 6th-8th rookie Dman.
This. Typical CarknerCountry thread.

Next up: Which team has better zamboni drivers, Toronto or Ottawa.

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02-25-2013, 12:48 PM
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Ummm...equal!

Holzer is a good D-man. He's played well and is playing over the likes of Liles, who didn't play poorly either.

He's got number 5 D-man potential but the ability to slot in anywhere in the top 4 and not look out of place. He makes safe plays.

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