"Of course, to get assists, he relies on his linemates' shooting also. In his juniors career, he averaged 1.7 assists per goal. In his shorter AHL career, the average was 1.4. In Philadelphia, it's been 0.6 -- and the low assist total is why his point total seems low. If he'd had 1.4 assists for each of his goals in Philadelphia, he'd have 29 points in 57 games, a 42-point pace that's right in line with his historic trends.
When we look at his teammate shooting percentages, we can see why Schenn is finding assists hard to come by. At 5-on-5, the average team shoots 8.0 percent. Last year, despite his own shooting percentage being solid, with Schenn on the ice the Flyers shot just 6.2 percent, because his linemates were collectively all the way down at 4.9 percent. Players don't have much control over their linemates' shooting percentages, so this low figure is not a worrisome sign that he struggled; it just means that he didn't get the bounces. We should expect his linemates' shooting percentage to turn around, and when it does, his assist total will come up with it.
Whether Schenn becomes a 50-point player or a 75-point player depends on how he develops from here, and is open to guesswork. But don't let his linemates' bad luck last year fool you into thinking he's less than a 40-something point player right now."
So you're saying that the Flyers' 1st/2nd (whatever line he happens to play on a given night) is worse than the top line of the Marlies?
Quite easily Schenn. Kadri shouldn't have 1 vote...
What in Schenn's 18 pts in 54 NHL games last year makes you think that he is somehow annointed as the second coming of Ronny Francis?
I dont think that Schenn has the toolbox to ever be an elite NHL offensive player.
It's just baffling to know that the answers on this thread are "Schenn AINEC" when Kadri has accomplished just as much as Schenn has despite going through much more adversity and not getting ice time until he earned it.
Schenn to me is a guy that can hit, bang in a few garbage goals but he's not someone who can create his own offense. He'll be a good player when he's surrounded by other good players.
Kadri is physical, gritty, can draw penalties, amazing vision and hands. He was terribly mishandled by Ron Wilson who wanted him to play wing.
Carlyle comes to the scene and the first thing he does is put him back to center where he can utilize his skill and the ice much better than he can on the wing. He can create offense for his line.
Kadri has been the Leafs best forward so far, and that too with minimal PP time with the top unit.
Schenn AINEC. Better at every facet of the game, nothing against Kadri at all if he manage the pace he's at for the rest of the year the Leafs make the playoffs IMO.
Soo. What are you basing your oppinion on? Their current pace? Their career stats? Junior stats? Or your thorough analysis of playing style? All those times these players played against the canucks i guess. Thus far Kadri has been better in every aspect of the game asside from hitting if you ask me. More responsible defensively, better GPG, better APG, better PPG, less penalties. Really struggling to see how Schenn is better in every facet.
So you're saying that your post is an all-encompassing analysis about both players?
There is absolutely nothing left to discuss because your post analyzes every aspect of hockey.
Ok, well if you and others actually believe that, then I guess we're done here.
But how about you give me a rebuttal after I linked an article as to why those stats could be skewed (also because of their small sample size).
These stats could be skewed, yes. But what else do we have to go on with such young players who have played so few games?
As someone earlier pointed out, draft pedigree means little-to-nothing. I think anyone claiming Kadri is better at all (or even the majority) of aspects of the game is incorrect, and I think the reverse would be equally incorrect.
I guess my point is this: Do you see a legitimate argument for a Leafs fan (or a neutral fan, or a Philly fan) to be inclined to vote Kadri in this poll? Because I can see an argument made either way at this moment, but the thread consensus seems to be 'Schenn ainec', which confuses me.
these stats could be skewed, yes. But what else do we have to go on with such young players who have played so few games?
As someone earlier pointed out, draft pedigree means little-to-nothing. I think anyone claiming kadri is better at all (or even the majority) of aspects of the game is incorrect, and i think the reverse would be equally incorrect.
I guess my point is this: Do you see a legitimate argument for a leafs fan (or a neutral fan, or a philly fan) to be inclined to vote kadri in this poll? Because i can see an argument made either way at this moment, but the thread consensus seems to be 'schenn ainec', which confuses me.