If the Sharks sign him while they are in Canada, he becomes "employed" and would be working in Canada (even if not actually playing), which means he would need a visa.
Once they get back to the US they can sign him with no issues (as a US citizen) and arrange the visa stuff for the next trip north of the border.
That makes a lot of sense.
He traveled with the team to get a mini, mini-camp in and a get-to-know with the other players and will wait until tomorrow to make it formal in SJ.
The way they have shown him on tv in Sharks gear leaded me to believe it's a done deal and something like your scenario above was holding it up. No way in hell Drew and Randy get to talk about a player on tv who isn't a done deal.
Hoping there is no link to the delay in signing Gomez and Gillis quote this morning stating they have a deal for RL contingent on the other team moving another player. The sharks have been rumored to be interested in RL...could there be a link between the delay in signing Gomez and any possible moves to trade for RL. I'd hope not after Niemi's display in the opener.
Where did you see rumors about the Sharks being interested in RL? The only RL I would entertain is RL Stine.
Saw a clip of Gomez on the tsn website doing a "media scrum" after the practice he took part in. He was sporting a sharks hat as the rest of the players do. One would think if he didn't plan on signing with the sharks he wouldn't be sporting their logo for an interview.
Saw a clip of Gomez on the tsn website doing a "media scrum" after the practice he took part in. He was sporting a sharks hat as the rest of the players do. One would think if he didn't plan on signing with the sharks he wouldn't be sporting their logo for an interview.
Maybe his head was cold. It is Edmonton in January.
It's posts like this that make me convinced you've never seen him play and are only basing your opinion on his career year. Gomez hasn't broken 20 goals a season in his entire career outside of that one anomoly year. His single 33 goal season was 05-06 (Cheechoo had 56 and goals were sky high that entire year) where scoring was exceptionally high because of the new rule changes. I'm honestly surprised someone is defending his shot because it's pretty well documented that it is terrible.
Granted, Gomez has other tools that make him a successful player when his game works. His shot is fairly accurate despite being one of the worst, and he has great mobility so he can get to those good spots and beat defenders. However, you're comparing him to his stats from 7 years ago, and it's foolish to think he can repeat that performance or even get close to it.
I just think you need to temper your expectations a bit. It is absurd to pay him 3-4 million now when his value is low and he has something to prove. He is a perfect 3rd liner for our team with his skillset (fast, good defensively, great locker room guy with leadership, playmaker), but he's not going to be replacing anyone in our top-6 unless injuries occur, and this is coming from the guy who dislikes Clowe and thinks he should be traded. I'm cautiously optimistic that his game will turn around, but like many have said earlier, there are concerns that need to be cleared up before anyone would give him a second payday.
The Devils were my favorite team to watch from the east on ESPN, ESPN2 and then Center Ice while waiting for sharks games to start. Scott Stevens was one of my all time favorite defensmen. I've probably watched more than a couple hundred Devils games with NJ. Gomez can shoot, he is a passer first. You don't know what you're talking about.
I never said pay him 3 to 4 million under these circumstances so don't put words in my mouth. You need to actually read what I said, I never said or implied he would approach that single season high in goals. All I said is the guy can shoot. He has an NHL level wrister and slapper. There's a huge difference between NHL level and regular joe. I've played in beer leagues with and against ex NHLers and minor leaguers who never sniffed 15 goals let alone 30 and they all had better shots than the best amateur beer league players. If Gomez put up 30 even once against NHL goalies, then he can shoot.
Think what you want, I will think what I want based on a number of years of experience watching him play.
Just saw Milbury on NHL live say Gomez should fit in SJ just fine "San Jose the land of underachievers" Seems to be a common theme among so called experts.
Just saw Milbury on NHL live say Gomez should fit in SJ just fine "San Jose the land of underachievers" Seems to be a common theme among so called experts.
Milbury is a bitter failed hack... I think he also tried to trade for Gomez when he was with the Islanders and failed which probably is where this is coming from.
Just saw Milbury on NHL live say Gomez should fit in SJ just fine "San Jose the land of underachievers" Seems to be a common theme among so called experts.
Milbury is a ****in' idiot I don't pay much mind to.
Mike Milbury gave up a potential core of Jason Spezza, Zdeno Chara, Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe, Olli Jokinen, J.P. Dumont, Bryan Berard, and Roberto Luongo so that he could have Trevor Linden, Mark Parrish, Oleg Kvasha, Rick DiPietro, Alexei Yashin, Felix Potvin, and Dmitri Nabokov.
So that pretty much sums up the extent of Mike Milbury's evaluative talent.
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The Devils were my favorite team to watch from the east on ESPN, ESPN2 and then Center Ice while waiting for sharks games to start. Scott Stevens was one of my all time favorite defensmen. I've probably watched more than a couple hundred Devils games with NJ. Gomez can shoot, he is a passer first. You don't know what you're talking about.
I never said pay him 3 to 4 million under these circumstances so don't put words in my mouth. You need to actually read what I said, I never said or implied he would approach that single season high in goals. All I said is the guy can shoot. He has an NHL level wrister and slapper. There's a huge difference between NHL level and regular joe. I've played in beer leagues with and against ex NHLers and minor leaguers who never sniffed 15 goals let alone 30 and they all had better shots than the best amateur beer league players. If Gomez put up 30 even once against NHL goalies, then he can shoot.
Think what you want, I will think what I want based on a number of years of experience watching him play.
Like I said, we'll see, assuming he signs.
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Anyone lamenting paying more than a million. On a regular open market july 1st free agency day he gets 3 mil minimum per year for 3 years.
You certainly value him as such, otherwise you wouldn't have said it.
So I was right when I said you're basing your opinion on his prior stats and not on reality? Thanks for clearing that up. Like I said, that one year was an anomoly for everyone, not just Gomez. He does not have a good shot by NHL standards, and you're just plain wrong if you think he does and you would know that if you ever saw him recently. That's not a knock on him, because he made himself very successful by being an excellent passer and skater, but reality is reality. There certainly is a difference between an NHL shooter and beer leaguers, but Gomez is closer to the latter than the former.
There are plenty of reasons that he could have done poorly in Montreal (such as the expectations garnered from his contract or his poor linemates) that you could pin his numbers on that may change on the Sharks, but that was still while getting power play time and facing much weaker competition. It would be a bad business move to overpay for Gomez now because his value is at an all-time low and his recent performances do not reflect such a payday. Anything more than a million IS overpayment until he proves otherwise, and he would gladly take smaller salary because he's getting paid regardless. I can also see why the Sharks would be hesitant to hand out a longer contract because his health could be a concern. The last thing the team needs is another player sitting on IR for most of the year, and Gomez is at the point in his career where injuries do start to pile up.
You certainly value him as such, otherwise you wouldn't have said it.
So I was right when I said you're basing your opinion on his prior stats and not on reality? Thanks for clearing that up. Like I said, that one year was an anomoly for everyone, not just Gomez. He does not have a good shot by NHL standards, and you're just plain wrong if you think he does and you would know that if you ever saw him recently. That's not a knock on him, because he made himself very successful by being an excellent passer and skater, but reality is reality. There certainly is a difference between an NHL shooter and beer leaguers, but Gomez is closer to the latter than the former.
There are plenty of reasons that he could have done poorly in Montreal (such as the expectations garnered from his contract or his poor linemates) that you could pin his numbers on that may change on the Sharks, but that was still while getting power play time and facing much weaker competition. It would be a bad business move to overpay for Gomez now because his value is at an all-time low and his recent performances do not reflect such a payday. Anything more than a million IS overpayment until he proves otherwise, and he would gladly take smaller salary because he's getting paid regardless. I can also see why the Sharks would be hesitant to hand out a longer contract because his health could be a concern. The last thing the team needs is another player sitting on IR for most of the year, and Gomez is at the point in his career where injuries do start to pile up.
Dude you are clueless and you can't read... I said on a regular july 1st free agency day he would have gotten 3 to 4 mil from some bottom feeding team like columbus or anyone else who needs to reach the floor. But NOT under these circumstances where there is no time to integrate or carefully evaluate him. The sharks are very lucky that he wants to play here hence the reason all the other teams stopped pursuing him. Of course the sharks don't have to pay him more than a million now due to Gomez's other payday and his desire to play for a winner. I said that already... This really shouldn't be so hard for you to understand.
Other than the last 2 years when he had injury issues, he is as consistent as taxes in his point production. Go on with your assessment all you want. You're wrong. You saying Gomez's shot is closer to a beer leaguer than an NHLer proves you are clueless. You obviously hate the guy and can't tell the difference between NHLers and beer leaguers... No matter how you try to word it or try to insult me you will still be wrong.
Dude you are clueless and you can't read... I said on a regular july 1st free agency day he would have gotten 3 to 4 mil from some bottom feeding team like columbus or anyone else who needs to reach the floor. But NOT under these circumstances where there is no time to integrate or carefully evaluate him.
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Anyone lamenting paying more than a million. On a regular open market july 1st free agency day he gets 3 mil minimum per year for 3 years. If we sign him for 2 mil for 2 years or even 3 years it would be a major steal. This guy is easily better than Ray Whitney who got 4.5 for 2 years as a 40 year old. Put him with Juicy and Havlat and he gets 50 pts.
You said it would be a steal now if the Sharks sign him for 2 million. A steal implies that he should be making a lot more than 2 million. You then said he's better than Ray Whitney who's making 4.5 million. You might not have outright said it, but you definitely did imply that you think he should be making a lot.
Dude you are clueless and you can't read... I said on a regular july 1st free agency day he would have gotten 3 to 4 mil from some bottom feeding team like columbus or anyone else who needs to reach the floor. But NOT under these circumstances where there is no time to integrate or carefully evaluate him. The sharks are very lucky that he wants to play here hence the reason all the other teams stopped pursuing him. This really shouldn't be so hard for you to understand.
Other than the last 2 years when he had injury issues, he is as consistent as taxes in his point production. Go on with your assessment all you want. You're wrong. You saying Gomez's shot is closer to a beer leaguer than an NHLer proves you are clueless. You obviously hate the guy and can't tell the difference between NHLers and beer leaguers... No matter how you try to word it or try to insult me you will still be wrong.
And he wouldn't sign there and it wouldn't be part of the discussion whatsoever. So what was your point in bringing it up in the first place? You have to get your facts straight dude and figure out what exactly you're arguing about.
Injuries are certainly a concern and would leave teams hesitant to hand out a longer contract, aside from potential performance doubts. It doesn't really matter what his performance was prior to injuries because the league is all about recent performances, and there's no guarantee he will go back to how he was prior to his injury. I'm repeating myself again when I say that he's at the point in his career where injuries and bumps do start to add up.
Also I don't hate the guy at all. Personally I think he would be a perfect 3rd liner on the Sharks, like a better version of Wellwood, and would bring veteran leadership and stability to our bottom 6. I just can't for the life of me figure out why you're defending his shot. It's so bizarre to me and is honestly the last thing I'd expect to see someone defend.
You said it would be a steal now if the Sharks sign him for 2 million. A steal implies that he should be making a lot more than 2 million. You then said he's better than Ray Whitney who's making 4.5 million. You might not have outright said it, but you definitely did imply that you think he should be making at least 3 million.
Yes, in a regular offseason he would sign for 3 or 4 mil. Yup. And even if he signs for league min this year he'll still be making more than 5 mil right?
I just can't for the life of me figure out why you're defending his shot. It's so bizarre to me and is honestly the last thing I'd expect to see someone defend.
Your wrist shot doesn't dimish from your 20 to 30s... maybe 40s but not at 33. You don't have to shoot like Marleau or Weber to have a "shot".
I think he'll put up the equivalent of 38 points, no one else in the bottom 6 would come close to that. Now we really need some one to add goalscoring to the third line.
Ripping the puck past NHL goalies. Gomez can shoot, there is the proof. Wicked backhander too. You are wrong.
BTW, wish I had a guy who shot like him on my beer league team... ;P
Almost all of those goals are from in front of the blue paint, on an anomoly year, over half a decade ago, on a performance he was never able to replicate. Even fourth liners can score highlight reel goals once every blue moon, just look at Mitchell.
He does not have a shot. You're arguing a point that is just completely wrong. He can get goals because he is fast to get to spots and because he has fairly good accuracy. You won't be finding another person who has the same opinion as you regarding his shot. I'm not trying to downplay his ability or his spot on an NHL roster because he has many other tools that can make him successful, but his shot is not one of them.
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