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01-19-2013, 02:19 PM
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Patrick Eaves still plays hockey?

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personally i dont even like either of these teams so i dont really care
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As a Detroit fan this is way off base. Detroit would have to add a lot more. Think Smith + Tatar + pick to start any trade for an elite defenseman or top 6

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oh look another subban trade proposal. habs say no ****ing way to this

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Look at games played, and the offensive opportunities that each had.
Subban played on the second worst team in the league and still Finnish in the + and he still put up decent point ... Subban is superior to bogo in every situation ... U can look at what ever number u want.. Bogo is good but come on !! Don't overrate the fact he got drafted 3 overall !!

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Look at games played, and the offensive opportunities that each had.
Or watch games. Subban is better defensively and offensively right now and has way more responsibility considering he plays on a worse D.

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Why would Montreal want Smith? The guy is 24 in few weeks and not even NHL regular yet because he hasn't been able to crack the roster of the team that is known for rushing prospects. Talk about bust. Even Gomez had more value.

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As for the proposal Detroit says hell yeah.. and Montrel says hell no. Subban is not going to be traded barring ridiculous overpayment.. and this isn't one.

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Why would Montreal want Smith? The guy is 24 in few weeks and not even NHL regular yet because he hasn't been able to crack the roster of the team that is known for rushing prospects. Talk about bust. Even Gomez had more value.
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Also, not a big fan of Subban, rather not trade the assets to get him, or welcome the payday he would require.

From a pure money standpoint, rather have Smith, leaves more flexibility in the cap.

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*ALL* PK Subban talk (News/Speculation/Rumors/Proposals) ‎

Per some posts in the myriad Subban trade threads, I thought it was time to start this. And shut down the rest. Habs have stated they aren't trading Subban, but of course things change, and as time drags on, who knows, so there will always be proposals... modeled on the Luongo all-purpose thread...

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you and almost all of HFBoards seem to insist that Paul Martin's season last year was indicative of how he's always played in the NHL. last year was about as much of an off year for him as any defenseman in the NHL can have.

buying him out at this point means that the Pens have to move Lovejoy into the top 6, which would hurt more than having Martin.

also, you don't understand how NHL teams and contracts work if you think Malkin AND Letang are going to make any less than they have on their previous contracts. if anything, Letang and Malkin played themselves into gigantic raises (on any other team, maybe Malkin about $10M per year, Letang about $5-6M per year).
I should of point out that i meant buy out martin when you need to resign letang or geno.... my bad !

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Per some posts in the myriad Subban trade threads, I thought it was time to start this. And shut down the rest. Habs have stated they aren't trading Subban, but of course things change, and as time drags on, who knows, so there will always be proposals... modeled on the Luongo all-purpose thread...
You do not want this my freind.

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You do not want this my freind.
Ha, well, modeled on the fact that there is an all-purpose thread instead of 10 separate PK threads on the first page of the forum, anyway, hopefully not modeled on some of the contents therein...

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Per some posts in the myriad Subban trade threads, I thought it was time to start this. And shut down the rest. Habs have stated they aren't trading Subban, but of course things change, and as time drags on, who knows, so there will always be proposals... modeled on the Luongo all-purpose thread...
so no more thread about subban

do you know that he havent sign his contract and this is normal if we speak about it ?

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so no more thread about subban

do you know that he havent sign his contract and this is normal if we speak about it ?
So speak about it. Right here...

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The pressure will be applied on either side of the negotiation table depending on whether the team is winning or not. Does that make sense?

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The pressure will be applied on either side of the negotiation table depending on whether the team is winning or not. Does that make sense?
Some pressure, anyway. It seems like there is an ideology at play with both camps, however, that may make what happens on the ice immaterial. Maybe the pressure will only really be fan/media pressure, and the Habs/player may choose not to feel it.

If the Habs lose, that is somewhat expected anyway, and if they have a healthy defense which isn't exactly the biggest factor in the losses, that's different than if they get decimated by injuries again and the losses do seem to be directly attributable to having a patchwork D again.

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Some pressure, anyway. It seems like there is an ideology at play with both camps, however, that may make what happens on the ice immaterial. Maybe the pressure will only really be fan/media pressure, and the Habs/player may choose not to feel it.

If the Habs lose, that is somewhat expected anyway, and if they have a healthy defense which isn't exactly the biggest factor in the losses, that's different than if they get decimated by injuries again and the losses do seem to be directly attributable to having a patchwork D again.
Pressure from fan/media is the only real pressure. They are the customers and there's no alternate revenue streams in this business AFAIK. The team can't ignore the customers for too long, specially if they are losing.

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if subban sign after 15 games, don't think that he will save the club cuz he will miss a lot of synchronism

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After Edler signing 5mil for 6 years, it really hurts PK's leverage. Edler is better at this point and was an upcoming UFA. Also Del Zotto only getting 2.5. PK should be looking at max 4-4.5 per year with these comparables.

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Subban played on the second worst team in the league and still Finnish in the + and he still put up decent point ... Subban is superior to bogo in every situation ... U can look at what ever number u want.. Bogo is good but come on !! Don't overrate the fact he got drafted 3 overall !!
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Or watch games. Subban is better defensively and offensively right now and has way more responsibility considering he plays on a worse D.
The Jets wouldn't trade Bogo for Subban, and the Habs wouldn't trade Subban for Bogo.

Curious how that's not good enough for some Habs fans in this thread who feel the need to beat the Subban is better than Bogosian drum.

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Subban played on the second worst team in the league and still Finnish in the + and he still put up decent point ... Subban is superior to bogo in every situation ... U can look at what ever number u want.. Bogo is good but come on !! Don't overrate the fact he got drafted 3 overall !!
As a habs fan I have to disagree with that. Both guys have had their growing pains. Both guys log 24 mins a game, both guys can hit like mack trucks, both guys play big minutes against the other teams best. Bogosian had .46 pts per game last year and Subban had .44 pts per game. Both players are fan favorites. Both guys have absolute bombs from the point. What else, both guys are 23, big Bogosian 6-3 215 and Subban 6-0 205. Oh i forgot, one guy may have issues where he doesn't get along well with others, ( fought with four teammates ), leads the league in stupid penalties for two years running, and seems to enjoy being in the spotlight a lot. Ill let you guess which.

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Why would Montreal want Smith? The guy is 24 in few weeks and not even NHL regular yet because he hasn't been able to crack the roster of the team that is known for rushing prospects. Talk about bust. Even Gomez had more value.
Detroit is known for rushing prospects? Oh please tell me this is a joke, pretty please tell me you know this little about the NHL

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^(for those people who didn't get it)
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Detroit is known for rushing prospects? Oh please tell me this is a joke, pretty please tell me you know this little about the NHL
You missed that post below me; yes I wasn't serious, I'm a Wings fan .

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Is Ryan Murray worth PK Subban? Or vice versa? If Montreal trades Subban I'm sure they would want a young dman with a similar ceiling. Columbus could use a player already capable of anchoring a D core.

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