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02-28-2013, 05:54 PM
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The direction this team is headed, I'd rather not give up a potential Jones/Drouin/Mackinnon for ROR. All this talk about how we need an elite talent as part of our rebuild and how teams haven't won cups since 01 or whatever. Sure, ROR steps in and becomes a difference maker right now, but in 5 years I'm willing to bet a top 5 pick will become a greater difference maker, no guarantees or anything, but if we're really going through with this rebuild may as well maximize value
There's more than half the season left, and in addition there is a draft lottery as well. Banking on getting a top three pick at this point is not a good idea. This team can win six games in a row and be in 8th place in a month. It happens all the time.

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02-28-2013, 06:00 PM
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The genius of this deal is that if Colorado matches, RoR will be an RFA after the deal and they'll be forced to give him a 6.5 million qualifying offer, while Landeskog and Duchene are also RFAs and Stastny is a UFA.
Yep. Pretty clever working by Feaster.

They also ensured that even though the base salary this year is low, they HAVE to pay $3M in total for this year.

Not a chance Colorado matches.

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02-28-2013, 06:04 PM
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02-28-2013, 06:16 PM
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Classic HFboards logic, guys who aren't even drafted yet are guaranteed to be really good. RoR is already a very good #2 center in this league and you don't have to wait for any growing pains to be over: he's ready to produce right now.
While I'm not arguing one side or the other, a draft pick is on an ELC and that does matter in today's cap world. O'Reilly will be getting $6.5M. That's a HUGE difference.

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02-28-2013, 06:18 PM
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While I'm not arguing one side or the other, a draft pick is on an ELC and that does matter in today's cap world. O'Reilly will be getting $6.5M. That's a HUGE difference.
His cap hit will be $5 million for two years.

That is correct, and would definitely matter when making that is decision.

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02-28-2013, 06:21 PM
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could we get all the RoR offer sheet in one thread ?

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02-28-2013, 06:25 PM
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There's more than half the season left, and in addition there is a draft lottery as well. Banking on getting a top three pick at this point is not a good idea. This team can win six games in a row and be in 8th place in a month. It happens all the time.
I understand that, thats why I said the direction we are headed. Sure we still COULD make the playoffs, but I don't anticipate us to get that much better. We have to many weaknesses to make a consistent push that I think the chances of us drafting in the top 5 at this point are greater than the chances we don't. Im not saying my view is the right one, but personally I would just rather not give up the picks for him given the information of the first 20 games.

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02-28-2013, 06:30 PM
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I understand that, thats why I said the direction we are headed. Sure we still COULD make the playoffs, but I don't anticipate us to get that much better. We have to many weaknesses to make a consistent push that I think the chances of us drafting in the top 5 at this point are greater than the chances we don't. Im not saying my view is the right one, but personally I would just rather not give up the picks for him given the information of the first 20 games.
Fair enough, I would. I think part of the reason why would be that I would have absolutely no reason to want them to lose games anymore. As a fan, it's an uncomfortable place to be.

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02-28-2013, 06:41 PM
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His cap hit will be $5 million for two years.

That is correct, and would definitely matter when making that is decision.
Yes but some teams concern themselves with actual money over cap hit. I'm assuming Colorado is one of them. His salary next year will be $6.5m.

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02-28-2013, 07:03 PM
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I'm not upset we didn't send an offer sheet, as it stands we are with the #2 spot. I think you can only go down one spot at the max, so if things go the way they have been then that means we are guaranteed Mackinnon, Jones or Drouin. I don't give up any of those 3 for RoR.

Darcy should have been more aggressive with the trade route though. A package of Sekera, Armia, Pysyk would have been more then enough.

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02-28-2013, 07:05 PM
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I'm not upset we didn't send an offer sheet, as it stands we are with the #2 spot. I think you can only go down one spot at the max, so if things go the way they have been then that means we are guaranteed Mackinnon, Jones or Drouin. I don't give up any of those 3 for RoR.

Darcy should have been more aggressive with the trade route though. A package of Sekera, Armia, Pysyk would have been more then enough.
well we dont know that he wasnt yet, hopefully someone asks him if he at least made a call.

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02-28-2013, 07:15 PM
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Brilliant move by Feaster. Really forces Colorado to make a tough move. Do they take the picks? They could be left with a pick outside the top 10, and miss out on those top 6 of this draft that are really special.

But if they match, they have to qualify him for 6.5 million if they want to keep him an RFA in two years, and cant trade him for the next year. He will have minimal trade value, PLUS that same year they have Stastny, Landy, and Duchene if Im not mistaken.

If I am colorado I take the picks. They are almost positively going to lose O'Rielly in two years to UFA.

I usually give feaster flake but this move is brilliant.

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02-28-2013, 07:46 PM
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I imagine Colorado wanted our 1st rounder. I imagine that, given where we were and are in the standings, that Regier did not want to give up the 1st rounder. From a negotiating standpoint, we had little leverage because we didn't have the offer sheet hammer--we'd just be giving up the 1st that we didn't want to give up in the first place.

As bad as I wanted ROR, I met the reality we weren't going to offer-sheet him as we sunk to the bottom of the league--and I was equally certain the Avs would want that 1st rounder in any package from Buffalo. As good as ROR is for this lineup, I think we'd essentially be giving up a top-5 pick at this point, because I don't think a guy who has had played in a month can do enough to change our standing in 1/4 of a season.

And I'm happy he'll be staying out west.

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02-28-2013, 07:53 PM
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I imagine Colorado wanted our 1st rounder. I imagine that, given where we were and are in the standings, that Regier did not want to give up the 1st rounder. From a negotiating standpoint, we had little leverage because we didn't have the offer sheet hammer--we'd just be giving up the 1st that we didn't want to give up in the first place.

As bad as I wanted ROR, I met the reality we weren't going to offer-sheet him as we sunk to the bottom of the league--and I was equally certain the Avs would want that 1st rounder in any package from Buffalo. As good as ROR is for this lineup, I think we'd essentially be giving up a top-5 pick at this point, because I don't think a guy who has had played in a month can do enough to change our standing in 1/4 of a season.

And I'm happy he'll be staying out west.
Agreed, it would be nice to know we tried to acquire him but giving up our first plus more picks THIS year would be rough

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02-28-2013, 08:28 PM
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Strange question but can the avs deal his rights to another team between now and seven days from today? Also can he be traded at the end of the season or is it one calender year from signing? CBA geeks help me...

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02-28-2013, 08:38 PM
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He cant be traded now for a full year (365 days)

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He cant be traded now for a full year (365 days)
If my math is correct as of today that is past the trade deadline next year. I have to give Jay Feaser props, brilliantly executed.

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02-28-2013, 09:11 PM
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****, Darcy should have done this.

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****, Darcy should have done this.
Apparently most GM's think the avs will match. However, it closes a player off for the next two seasons.

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****, Darcy should have done this.
Dude, I was calling for an offer sheet with a 2nd rounder comp. I figured Regier did that, gentlemen agreement, and they said they'd match. If the Avs match, they got screwed. Feaster is Lowe jr. The only thing I can guess is that they didn't agree they'd match, and he goes to Calgary. If that truly does happen, then watch out. Reduced cap will make this some crazy stuff.

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Avs have matched.
WooHoo the ROR talk can end finally!

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Avs have matched.
Seems to lend credence to the theory that Colorado's dream scenario was for him to get offer-sheeted. They could match and maintain the future negotiation position w/Landeskog and Duchene that they were forced into this contract.

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Feaster did the Avs front office a huge favor.

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On Avs matching O'Reilly offer, one industry source believes it's a given they'll trade him a year from now.

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