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01-30-2013, 10:28 AM
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01-30-2013, 10:37 AM
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F4W is now reporting that The Undertaker may be skipping Wrestlemania this year, leaving Punk with potentially being added to Rock/Cena.

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01-30-2013, 10:40 AM
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F4W is now reporting that The Undertaker may be skipping Wrestlemania this year,
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leaving Punk with potentially being added to Rock/Cena.
Just kidding, totally okay with this.

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01-30-2013, 10:47 AM
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F4W is now reporting that The Undertaker may be skipping Wrestlemania this year, leaving Punk with potentially being added to Rock/Cena.
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But really, no Undertaker match will leave me highly disappointed.

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01-30-2013, 11:04 AM
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I'm glad Taker is skipping Wrestlemania. An I the only one who wants the streak eternally intact?

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01-30-2013, 11:09 AM
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I'm glad Taker is skipping Wrestlemania. An I the only one who wants the streak eternally intact?
No. I think he should retire with it.

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01-30-2013, 12:14 PM
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Honestly, I feel like the "End of an Era" last year should have been it for Taker. That was such an amazing match to watch with the emotions of all three guys that I feel it would have been a perfect end to Taker's career. He probably doesn't have a whole lot more in him at this point and if he starts missing Manias then he might not go out with such a bang.

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01-30-2013, 01:18 PM
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The feel is just not right for a Taker match. I don't see a match left for him outside of Brock, Cena, or Rocky... and they all looked tied up at the moment.

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01-30-2013, 01:51 PM
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Save him for a big WM30 send off vs John Cena. Have Brock/Rock at WM30 as well.

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01-30-2013, 02:11 PM
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I agree, I thought End of an Era was a perfect way to retire Taker.

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01-30-2013, 02:13 PM
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I haven't watched Wrestling in a while (5-7 years), but over the last month I've been lurking the forum here. Probably because of all the names that were big when I was still watching. Taker, Rock, Brock, HHH, etc.

Would now be a good time to get into it so maybe I get hooked again after they all leave post-Wrestlemania? Or should I just stay awayyyyy!

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01-30-2013, 02:20 PM
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The feel is just not right for a Taker match. I don't see a match left for him outside of Brock, Cena, or Rocky... and they all looked tied up at the moment.
Maybe they can free up Cena to end the streak. He needs a big push.

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01-30-2013, 02:28 PM
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That John Cena kid is the future. I'm glad WWE is investing a lot of time in pushing him.

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01-30-2013, 02:34 PM
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I haven't watched Wrestling in a while (5-7 years), but over the last month I've been lurking the forum here. Probably because of all the names that were big when I was still watching. Taker, Rock, Brock, HHH, etc.

Would now be a good time to get into it so maybe I get hooked again after they all leave post-Wrestlemania? Or should I just stay awayyyyy!
I came back after watching religiously during the attitude era but not all of today's product is entertaining. Set the DVR and judge for yourself; fast forward through what bores you. Some storylines are intriguing, some are trash.

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01-30-2013, 02:39 PM
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No Taker match?

It has been a year... I know he's 47 but how can he not be ready to work for 30 minutes? I mean, Taker has worked maybe 3 hours in the past 2 years. Even at 47, he should be the freshest guy on the roster.

I'll believe it when Mania comes and there is no match booked.

They should have Taker work Punk this year. Not that it will be a good match because Punk works terribly with big guys and his matches with Taker in the past were the *****, but Punk deserve the Taker spot after all the work he has done. The easy angle is Punk continues to work this crazy/obsessed angle they hinted at on Raw. He becomes obsessed with how if he can;t have his streak of the 430+ days as Champion.... then nobody can have a streak and he wants to crush the greatest streak of them all and take away from the Taker what was taken away from him.

Then next year blow it off with the last ever against Cena in the Mania ME.


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Interesting read here:

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In any case, McMahon closed the show in full Vince Ex Machina fashion. Almost literally overnight, McMahon unraveled and delegitimized the past few months of genuinely interesting and nuanced WWE storytelling by unleashing a retroactive story line H-bomb. For months, it was unclear if Brad Maddox and The Shield were in cahoots with Heyman and Punk, or if they were working for someone else, or if they were simply acting on their own. McMahon settled that Monday by releasing a video in which Heyman was shown cavorting with Maddox and The Shield and admitting that he'd hired them. The video is a sight to behold Heyman turning to the cameraman and saying to turn off the camera, then admitting his whole scheme. (This opens up the intriguing possibility that Heyman is both the most conniving man in wrestling and the dumbest, which is probably not too far from Vince's perception of the truth.) It was the Romney 47 percent tape reset in the WWE gladiator's pit. There was no interrogation, no accumulation of evidence there was only a moment of realization and the negation of all that had come before, with the joy apparent all over Vince's face. He seemed to relish scrapping five months' worth of scripts.
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01-30-2013, 03:19 PM
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Interesting...

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01-30-2013, 03:27 PM
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I kinda agree. After all that making Punk/Heyman involved with Maddox/Shield is stupid.


It screams one of those "We don't know where this is going, so lets just do this!" story lines like the anonymous GM, et al.

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01-30-2013, 03:50 PM
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there were two ways i was hoping...

a) heyman did it as a way to undermine punk and ensure his legitimacy of being his manager and keeping his name in the spotlight...leading to a punk/brock feud

b) vince sent them out b/c he had no way to get the title off punk legitamately since punk had beat everyone. this could lead to punk chasing the title and some interesting feuds

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01-30-2013, 04:24 PM
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WWE doesn't do subtlety. They don't think their audience can handle it, and they are correct....Vince can't.

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01-30-2013, 04:26 PM
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Whatever any reports say, I think Taker will compete. More a surprise if they keep downing us.

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01-30-2013, 04:31 PM
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The highest quarter on Raw this week was the Rock/Punk segment, which did a HUGE 4.03 quarter, the highest since Raw 1000.

The overrun with Heyman, Vince and Lesnar's surprise return did a 4.0

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This is exactly what got me scratching my head while watching that segment. Punk and Heyman should be clever enough to hide everything better if they were actually the ones behind it. We should have seen some sketchy footage of other people who were caught interacting with The Shield too or at least something to make the audience believe it could be ANYBODY but Punk and Heyman. AKA BETTER WRITING!

This kind of reminded me of the WCW angle where all of the WCW wrestlers, announcers and a lot of viewers thought that Sting had joined the NWO even though Sting denied that he had; except, if it were written like the Punk/Shield angle, Sting woud've actually been in the NWO the whole time and the whole angle would'nt have been nearly as good. Instead we got a good storyline that made one of the best builds to Starrcade 97 (even though the actual match was a massive failure).

So after months of Punk and Heyman denying and all the speculation about who could actually be behind the Shield, it was... the people denying it. Just lazy writing all around. The fuse that's been gearing to explode for the last several months had a sparkler attached to the end of it. Good job Vince.

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01-30-2013, 05:59 PM
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Breakdowns for last week and this week:

1/21/13 Raw

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- Orton vs. Cesaro lost 641,000 viewers.

- Foley's HOF video, The Shield and Big Show vs. Zack Ryder gained 196,000 viewers.

- Ryback vs. Heath Slater and The Rock with security guards outside gained 12,000 viewers.

- CM Punk's promo at 9 PM gained 66,000 viewers which isn't good for 9 PM. The quarter was a 3.1

- The Miz vs. Dolph Ziggler in a Beat The Clock Challenge gained 33,000 viewers.

- Anger Management Graduation lost 162,000 viewers.

- Kaitlyn vs. Alicia Fox and Paul Heyman's promo gained 104,000 viewers.

- The Rock promo at 10 PM including a Shield beat down LOST 109,000 viewers to a 3.01 quarter. That IS NOT good for the 10 PM quarter one bit.

- Wade Barrett vs. Sheamus in a Beat The Clock Challenge lost 406,000 viewers.

- Backstage segments with McMahon/Punk/Heyman, Ziggler/Vickie/AJ and Alberto Del Rio vs. Tensai gained 217,000 viewers.

- John Cena's lame promo with guys filling up the ring gained 154,000 viewers to a 2.98 overrun. Not great.
1/28/13 Raw

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- The show opened VERY strong to a 3.63 quarter with CM Punk, Paul Heyman and Vince McMahon.

- Randy Orton vs. Antonio Cesaro with The Miz as special referee lost 193,000 viewers.

- Ryback and the Prime Time Players in the 'Make Me Laugh' segment and the Bob Backlund HOF video gained 32,000 viewers.

- Wade Barrett vs. Bo Dallas and John Cena vs. Cody Rhodes in quick matches gained 243,000 viewers.

- The John Cena promo post-match, leading to The Shield beating down Sheamus, Ryback and John Cena gained 145,000 viewers to a 3.8 quarter at 9 PM. VERY good number.

- Brodus Clay vs. Tensai in a dance contest lost 157,000 viewers which is a hell of a lot better than what they would have done if they wrestled a match.

- Big Show beating down Alberto Del Rio and Ricardo Rodriguez gained 116,000 viewers.

- Kaitlyn vs. Tamina and The Rock's entrance gained 79,000 viewers.

- The Rock and CM Punk's segment at 10 PM gained 279,000 viewers to a 4.03 quarter.

- Sheamus vs. Damien Sandow in a tables match and The Great Khali/Zack Ryder karaoke segment lost 601,000 viewers.

- Jericho's Raw return plus in-ring segment with Ziggler, AJ and Big E Langston lost 342,000 viewers.

- Jericho/Ziggler vs. Team Hell No gained 134,000 viewers.

- Vince McMahon's performance review of Paul Heyman and Brock Lesnar's surprise return in the overrun gained 750,000 viewers to a 4.0 overrun.

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This is exactly what got me scratching my head while watching that segment. Punk and Heyman should be clever enough to hide everything better if they were actually the ones behind it. We should have seen some sketchy footage of other people who were caught interacting with The Shield too or at least something to make the audience believe it could be ANYBODY but Punk and Heyman. AKA BETTER WRITING!

This kind of reminded me of the WCW angle where all of the WCW wrestlers, announcers and a lot of viewers thought that Sting had joined the NWO even though Sting denied that he had; except, if it were written like the Punk/Shield angle, Sting woud've actually been in the NWO the whole time and the whole angle would'nt have been nearly as good. Instead we got a good storyline that made one of the best builds to Starrcade 97 (even though the actual match was a massive failure).

So after months of Punk and Heyman denying and all the speculation about who could actually be behind the Shield, it was... the people denying it. Just lazy writing all around. The fuse that's been gearing to explode for the last several months had a sparkler attached to the end of it. Good job Vince.
It's possible that Heyman set up the Shield and Maddox behind Punks back... after all, he was escorted out before the confrontation. Could end up being a Brock v Punk angle.

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