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01-20-2013, 09:35 PM
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Thank you. Cam wasn't good in the first, but the team in front of him sucked beyond belief. They pulled it together for the second and third, and Ellis faced a hell of a lot less pressure than Cam did.

Cam's performance will be dealt with, but that will happen behind closed doors and in practice in a constructive way. Humiliating him and turning his performance and benching into a front page story would probably the absolute worst thing you could do.

For that matter, why on earth are people here under the impression that the only way a coach can hold a player accountable is by benching him? Sure, it happens, but it's a tremendously public and extreme course of action to take, and isn't something done lightly. And it would be an incredibly big overreaction to punish a guy for rust following the utter joke of a training camp teams had to deal with this year.
Get your logic off my board!

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01-20-2013, 09:43 PM
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Thank you. Cam wasn't good in the first, but the team in front of him sucked beyond belief. They pulled it together for the second and third, and Ellis faced a hell of a lot less pressure than Cam did.

Cam's performance will be dealt with, but that will happen behind closed doors and in practice in a constructive way. Humiliating him and turning his performance and benching into a front page story would probably the absolute worst thing you could do.

For that matter, why on earth are people here under the impression that the only way a coach can hold a player accountable is by benching him? Sure, it happens, but it's a tremendously public and extreme course of action to take, and isn't something done lightly. And it would be an incredibly big overreaction to punish a guy for rust following the utter joke of a training camp teams had to deal with this year.
All good points.

I don't think Cam should be riding the pine on Tuesday, but I also don't think he should be excused for his poor game on Saturday (which may mean I slightly disagree with your #1). He'll pick it up.

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01-20-2013, 10:09 PM
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I'd rather play Cam, and hope he returns to the form he has held in the past (however brief it may have been) than play Ellis and hope he achieves a form he has never held at any level of professional hockey.

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01-20-2013, 11:38 PM
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I'd rather play Cam, and hope he returns to the form he has held in the past (however brief it may have been) than play Ellis and hope he achieves a form he has never held at any level of professional hockey.
Dan Ellis was pretty damn good in Nashville for times. He has both a lower GAA and a higher save percentage than Ward does at any time in the NHL.

Now, there are arguments against both of those figures, but that is still a form he's held at the highest level.

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01-21-2013, 12:19 AM
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Dan Ellis was pretty damn good in Nashville for times. He has both a lower GAA and a higher save percentage than Ward does at any time in the NHL.

Now, there are arguments against both of those figures, but that is still a form he's held at the highest level.
That was the product of playing behind a defense featuring 3 top pairing defensemen (Weber, Suter and Hamhuis).

I will concede that Ellis did at one time find some success in the NHL, but that success was more the team and defense he was playing behind rather than any competence on his part. His career since that time is a testament to that.

And since we ice a gong show of a defense (though Faulk-Pitkanen is looking good at the moment), we can not reasonably expect Ellis to acquire any previous success.

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01-21-2013, 12:39 AM
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Cam Ward and Jeff Skinner.

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Ryan Whitney and Devan Dubnyk.

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01-21-2013, 01:05 AM
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Dan Ellis was pretty damn good in Nashville for times. He has both a lower GAA and a higher save percentage than Ward does at any time in the NHL.

Now, there are arguments against both of those figures, but that is still a form he's held at the highest level.
Nashville fans would disagree. My roommate is a Preds fan and has no problem saying Ellis was one of the few goalies who sucked in Nashville.

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01-21-2013, 01:11 AM
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Nashville fans would disagree. My roommate is a Preds fan and has no problem saying Ellis was one of the few goalies who sucked in Nashville.
I remember watching him for good stretches in Nashville where he was well above par. Even The Onion wrote an article about him. In the end, he was a good goalie.

Though I have to admit, his Twitter fiasco was bad.

EDIT: But mainly, that Onion article.


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01-21-2013, 01:26 AM
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Nashville fans would disagree. My roommate is a Preds fan and has no problem saying Ellis was one of the few goalies who sucked in Nashville.
I know this guy who posts on HF named Summer Ruutu and he says that Ward sucks and is overrated. This other poster MeleeRay agrees with him.

2 >>>>>> 1.

Conclusion: Ellis > Ward.

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01-21-2013, 01:32 AM
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I know this guy who posts on HF named Summer Ruutu and he says that Ward sucks and is overrated. This other poster MeleeRay agrees with him.

2 >>>>>> 1.

Conclusion: Ellis > Ward.
Except every knows not to take Summer Ruutu seriously, since somewhere along the line he became less "quirky and sarcastic" and more "bitter and angry". And Melee Ray believes Mexico should have multiple NHL teams, so...

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01-21-2013, 01:38 AM
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Except every knows not to take Summer Ruutu seriously, since somewhere along the line he became less "quirky and sarcastic" and more "bitter and angry". And Melee Ray believes Mexico should have multiple NHL teams, so...
You mean he was ever anything but a troll account?

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01-21-2013, 03:21 AM
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i'm not troll.. u troll.. back,, back under ur bridge,, troll..

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01-21-2013, 06:03 AM
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Dan Ellis is so good it took him half an AHL season on a pro-tryout contract to even get a consideration from an NHL team. Dan Ellis is so good he's on his 4th team in 4 years.

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01-21-2013, 08:01 AM
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God this place is a looney bin after a Canes loss.

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01-21-2013, 09:13 AM
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Well if we are going to bench Cam for a game and make him 'work for it', then shouldn't we bench the whold damn team outside of Bowman, Dalpe, JStaal, Semin, and Joni?j

The whold damn team stunk. Us losing was not at the fault of Cam. Sure he should have had 2 of those 4, but this wasn't all on him.

So if we bench him for a ****** game, then you gotta bench the whold damn team for their ****** play.

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01-21-2013, 11:59 AM
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Ward will start home opener. Muller says expects bounceback game from veteran goalie.

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