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05-13-2013, 04:44 PM
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With dupuis needing a raise as well as letang i think there is a possibilty that orpik and fleury are gone.
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Jarome Iginla ($5.000m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.500m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.500m)
Tyler Kennedy ($1.500m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Scott Harrington ($0.911m)
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.300m) / Douglas Murray ($2.000m)
Deryk Engelland ($0.567m) / Robert Bortuzzo ($0.901m)
GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
Michal Neuvirth ($2.500m)
Eric Hartzell ($0.874m)
OTHER
Buyout: Jussi Jokinen ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,896,292; BONUSES: $307,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $711,208

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05-13-2013, 05:03 PM
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Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken, but Kennedy is an RFA. I thought with players on RFA contracts, if a team wants to resign him, the minimum they can offer that player is what they were making in the last year of the previous contract, or what is considered the qualifying offer.

If this is the case, we can't sign Kennedy for anything less than $2million, which is simply way too much for what his role would be here.

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05-13-2013, 05:07 PM
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Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken, but Kennedy is an RFA. I thought with players on RFA contracts, if a team wants to resign him, the minimum they can offer that player is what they were making in the last year of the previous contract, or what is considered the qualifying offer.

If this is the case, we can't sign Kennedy for anything less than $2million, which is simply way too much for what his role would be here.
That's correct. The Pens won't qualify him because of that. The Pens didn't qualify him last time either but then they worked out a deal right before UFA hit. I don't really see a spot on this team for TK beyond this season though so I doubt he'll be retained.

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05-13-2013, 08:46 PM
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Not going to happen. This is his big pay day. He might want to stay here and he might take less than market value, but he isn't going to take $1.5 million when his play warrants 3.5+. This is his chance to set his family up for life. He has won a cup and played for a great organization. He can retire a happy man and a very, very wealthy man if he wants.
Dupuis could have had a fairly big payday last time (easily could have gotten about $2.25 to $2.5 million) based on his PKing, character, some offense, speed & work-ethic, etc. Don't forget: that year, when he was a UFA, that was an extremely weak UFA crop. So...


I don't expect him to take the same $1.5 million or just a tiny raise on what he's making, but I don't think he's going to leave for $4+million either. He likes it here. A deal will get done, and whether it's for $2.5 million or $3.5 million, we can make this work cap-wise by trading Orpik and Fleury, and we can probably bring the cap hit down by giving him an extra year or two.

Dupuis is the type of guy who, like Guerin and others before him, will work for the Penguins. He will have a significant future with this organization, and he can get "paid well" for it.

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05-14-2013, 10:28 AM
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Dupuis could have had a fairly big payday last time (easily could have gotten about $2.25 to $2.5 million) based on his PKing, character, some offense, speed & work-ethic, etc. Don't forget: that year, when he was a UFA, that was an extremely weak UFA crop. So...


I don't expect him to take the same $1.5 million or just a tiny raise on what he's making, but I don't think he's going to leave for $4+million either. He likes it here. A deal will get done, and whether it's for $2.5 million or $3.5 million, we can make this work cap-wise by trading Orpik and Fleury, and we can probably bring the cap hit down by giving him an extra year or two.

Dupuis is the type of guy who, like Guerin and others before him, will work for the Penguins. He will have a significant future with this organization, and he can get "paid well" for it.
Push comes to shove, I'm o'k with using a compliance buyout on Fleury. You do that and move Orpik, and that might do the trick (or come really close).

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05-14-2013, 12:04 PM
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Compliance buy-out Glass & Fleury
Sign Dupuis to a 3 year deal; Iginla, Murray and Miller to 2 year deals; Bass, Jeffrey & Bortuzzo to 1 year deals

FORWARDS
Pascal Dupuis ($3.000m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Jarome Iginla ($5.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Beau Bennett ($0.900m)
Drew Miller ($0.900m) / Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m)
Cody Bass ($0.600m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Kris Letang ($3.500m)
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Douglas Murray ($2.750m) / Matt Niskanen ($2.300m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.578m) /
GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
[Backup]

OTHER
Buyout: Tanner Glass ($0.000m)
Buyout: Marc-Andre Fleury ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,646,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,653,333


Head coach: Paul Maurice
First assistant: John Hynes
Second assistant: Dallas Eakins


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05-15-2013, 01:27 AM
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Compliance buy-out Glass & Fleury
Sign Dupuis to a 3 year deal; Iginla, Murray and Miller to 2 year deals; Bass, Jeffrey & Bortuzzo to 1 year deals

FORWARDS
Pascal Dupuis ($3.000m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Jarome Iginla ($5.000m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Beau Bennett ($0.900m)
Drew Miller ($0.900m) / Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m)
Cody Bass ($0.600m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Kris Letang ($3.500m)
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Douglas Murray ($2.750m) / Matt Niskanen ($2.300m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.578m) /
GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
[Backup]

OTHER
Buyout: Tanner Glass ($0.000m)
Buyout: Marc-Andre Fleury ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,646,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $1,653,333


Head coach: Paul Maurice
First assistant: John Hynes
Second assistant: Dallas Eakins
I'd rather fire Bylsma and hire Tippett, fire the 2 assistants and let tippett bring his guys in, i heard Burke may be a good goalie coach? hire him full time.

Orpik/Glass traded
Fleury bought out
Iginla/Morrow let go
Cooke/Adams go test waters

Perhaps offersheet Bernier, roll with Bernier/Vokoun and we roll the Phoenix D system and make goalies look amazing, while still have firepower to score. Our 4th line cal be those pesky annoying WBS guys with Vitale. Pens should have plenty of cap room for the TD.

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05-15-2013, 06:04 AM
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Jacob's 3rd line could put up some good points.

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05-15-2013, 06:20 AM
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I'm not sure if I want to pay $5M for Iginla. He's definitely not a same player we used to see.

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05-15-2013, 11:34 AM
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I just can't understand how many of you don't see that trading Martin at his top is the thing to do. He is not close to a 5 million dman and that room can be used for either improving the D by signing Murray and Dupuis. Extending Letang and Malkin will be in the neighborhood of 4 to 5 million which can be found with Orpik contract being done.

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Martin may be slightly overpaid but getting rid of him only makes the D worse.

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05-15-2013, 12:01 PM
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Jacob's 3rd line could put up some good points.
I love the idea of a Jokinen - Sutter - Bennett line. Can definitely play in all 3 zones. Good way for Bennett to progress as well.

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05-15-2013, 12:09 PM
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I'm not sure if I want to pay $5M for Iginla. He's definitely not a same player we used to see.
Someone put this in another thread: What having Iginla and these playoffs have proven is that the Pens best lines are Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis and Kunitz-Malkin-Neal. IMO, Ray Shero needs to find a way to find Sid another Kunitz OR Malkin his own version of Kunitz. IMO, you resign Dupuis and work on THAT. I'm not keen on giving Iggy the money it's going to take, although I'm afraid Shero will do that anyway.

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05-15-2013, 12:13 PM
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I just can't understand how many of you don't see that trading Martin at his top is the thing to do. He is not close to a 5 million dman and that room can be used for either improving the D by signing Murray and Dupuis. Extending Letang and Malkin will be in the neighborhood of 4 to 5 million which can be found with Orpik contract being done.
Take a look at Martins TOI these playoffs. He is playing pretty steady on the back end while facing the other teams top line. 24-27 minutes a night needs to be given to someone and I don't see any of the current guys stepping up

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So they got Iginla just to make a splash and for his shot on the PP? Based on his play with the Flames this season I don't know what more they were expecting.

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So they got Iginla just to make a splash and for his shot on the PP? Based on his play with the Flames this season I don't know what more they were expecting.
I'm not sure that they were expecting him to be so soft on the puck and to look like TK in spaz mode stick handling half the time.

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I'm not sure that they were expecting him to be so soft on the puck and to look like TK in spaz mode stick handling half the time.
I'm not worried about Iggy. He'll show up when we need him to.

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Dupuis could have had a fairly big payday last time (easily could have gotten about $2.25 to $2.5 million) based on his PKing, character, some offense, speed & work-ethic, etc. Don't forget: that year, when he was a UFA, that was an extremely weak UFA crop. So...


I don't expect him to take the same $1.5 million or just a tiny raise on what he's making, but I don't think he's going to leave for $4+million either. He likes it here. A deal will get done, and whether it's for $2.5 million or $3.5 million, we can make this work cap-wise by trading Orpik and Fleury, and we can probably bring the cap hit down by giving him an extra year or two.

Dupuis is the type of guy who, like Guerin and others before him, will work for the Penguins. He will have a significant future with this organization, and he can get "paid well" for it.
I don't disagree with any of that but every player has a price and that what I was responding to. He's not going to get "ripped off" to stay here. Then Pens need to be in the ballpark and I have no doubt they will be. I expect him to stay.

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05-15-2013, 03:07 PM
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I'm not worried about Iggy. He'll show up when we need him to.
I might feel more comfortable in that prediction if Bylsma would let him (i.e., put him in a position to do just that and keep him there).

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Someone put this in another thread: What having Iginla and these playoffs have proven is that the Pens best lines are Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis and Kunitz-Malkin-Neal. IMO, Ray Shero needs to find a way to find Sid another Kunitz OR Malkin his own version of Kunitz. IMO, you resign Dupuis and work on THAT. I'm not keen on giving Iggy the money it's going to take, although I'm afraid Shero will do that anyway.
I don't know what he'll really be looking for. I doubt Shero pays too much for him. I think Iggy will have to take less than what he could get to stay here (same with Dupuis).

While Iggy hasn't been what I expected, he still has played well. Just not as dominant as I was expecting, but maybe he just has to get used to a supporting role.

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05-16-2013, 12:37 AM
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Yeah, I don't see Shero ponying up too much cash for Iggy based on what we've seen so far. Iggy really needs to show he can click with one of our top two centers before Shero will make any substantial offer.

I think Dupuis is clearly the #1 UFA priority. Iggy probably falls more into if the price is right category at the moment.

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With the Lightning expected to buy out Malone this summer, would you guys consider bringing him in on a low cost deal?

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With the Lightning expected to buy out Malone this summer, would you guys consider bringing him in on a low cost deal?
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I'd imagine the Pens would be pretty high on Malone's wishlist if he gets bought out. I'd be for it if it were a cheap one year deal.

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I'd imagine the Pens would be pretty high on Malone's wishlist if he gets bought out. I'd be for it if it were a cheap one year deal.
Heck, Geno might pay him some rubles under the table to come back.

You know, I always wonder what Geno's last five years would've been like if the Pens had retained Malone. Yeah, I know, cup the year after. But, if you look at it, under Bylsma, he's really only dominated with Tablot for the cup run and when Kunitz was on his LW.

Malone was the perfect linemate for him. Slow, yes. But, Geno's east-west style gave him time to catch up. He worked the give and go. He drove the net. He mucked it up and hit people and won pucks. And, he'd beat the living **** out of anyone who even looked at Geno funny.

If TB buys him out, then Ray Shero should sign him on the cheap. He probably won't, maybe in part because of injury concerns. But, I'd hope that Shero would roll the dice.

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