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05-16-2013, 03:21 PM
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Aren't people arguing that Iginla is too slow to be effective on this team? Now we want Malone back?

Put Bennett or Jokinen with Malkin and Neal before you go out and sign Malone.

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05-16-2013, 03:25 PM
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Aren't people arguing that Iginla is too slow to be effective on this team? Now we want Malone back?

Put Bennett or Jokinen with Malkin and Neal before you go out and sign Malone.
1. It's not Iginla's speed that's the issue. It's the rest of his game that's a shell of itself.

2. Bylsma won't put Bennett or Jokinen there. Sorry.

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05-16-2013, 03:42 PM
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1. It's not Iginla's speed that's the issue. It's the rest of his game that's a shell of itself.

2. Bylsma won't put Bennett or Jokinen there. Sorry.
The fact that he's not bulling guys over on his way to the net or beating them to a pulp in the corners does not mean Iginla is a useless player on this team. Pining for a guy like Malone, who isn't lighting the world on fire either and is a shell of his former self, is a bit yinzerish to me. Just because he played well here 5 years and several big injuries ago doesn't mean he's going to come back and be successful. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Malone's play upon coming back mirrored how Morrow's been lately, to be honest.

I don't think you're wrong about Bylsma though, sadly.

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05-16-2013, 03:57 PM
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The fact that he's not bulling guys over on his way to the net or beating them to a pulp in the corners does not mean Iginla is a useless player on this team. Pining for a guy like Malone, who isn't lighting the world on fire either and is a shell of his former self, is a bit yinzerish to me. Just because he played well here 5 years and several big injuries ago doesn't mean he's going to come back and be successful. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Malone's play upon coming back mirrored how Morrow's been lately, to be honest.

I don't think you're wrong about Bylsma though, sadly.
Actually, Morrow has looked good in two situations (where his speed wasn't an issue): One was with Dupuis. The other was the one game Bylsma deigned to play him with Geno and Neal. If Malone looks like Geno and Neal like Morrow did, then I'd be a happy camper.

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Malone and Iginla are two entirely different players though. Malone was never fast or extremely skilled. He's a big, natural LW that does a lot of the little things it takes to play well with Geno and a sniper like Neal. He's worth a shot on a cheap contract if he's bought out.

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05-16-2013, 04:07 PM
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Malone and Iginla are two entirely different players though. Malone was never fast or extremely skilled. He's a big, natural LW that does a lot of the little things it takes to play well with Geno and a sniper like Neal. He's worth a shot on a cheap contract if he's bought out.
Malone isn't the player he was 5 years ago. For all of his warts, Neal is more of a player than Sykora was 5 years ago. I think it would work. Malone is one of those few guys who got instinctively how to be Geno's puck retriever. The only ones he's had since have been Talbot for the cup run and Kunitz.

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05-16-2013, 04:27 PM
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Malone couldn't even play a full half-season this year. With the pace this team plays at, and what he'd be asked to do on that line, do people really think we'd get more than 45-50 games out of him?

He's slow, and he's injury prone. Out of all the options, I don't know why we'd want to bring him back--buyout or not--over several other possibilities.

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05-16-2013, 05:52 PM
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Malone couldn't even play a full half-season this year. With the pace this team plays at, and what he'd be asked to do on that line, do people really think we'd get more than 45-50 games out of him?

He's slow, and he's injury prone. Out of all the options, I don't know why we'd want to bring him back--buyout or not--over several other possibilities.
I'll take 45-50 games out of him on the cheap. Let's Beau Bennett ease into that role as Malkin's LW.

And, please enlighten me . . . what 'options' are there for LW for Malkin and Neal?

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I'll take 45-50 games out of him on the cheap. Let's Beau Bennett ease into that role as Malkin's LW.

And, please enlighten me . . . what 'options' are there for LW for Malkin and Neal?
What do you think you're going to be getting out of those 40-50 games? A 30g scorer? I would be pleasantly surprised if he hit 15.

Bennett has proven he doesn't need to be "eased into" a role on a scoring line. He's shown responsibility in his own end, he battles for pucks, he's shown flashes of offensive creativity and brilliance.

Other options than Malone? Hell, anyone. Bennett, Dupuis, Kunitz, Jokinen. And those are just guys on the team.

Malone is just a poor choice.

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05-17-2013, 12:31 AM
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I'm not quite sure my feelings on Malone, however if the price is right I'd do it. He doesn't even have to be a top 6, he could come settle in Cooke's spot on the 3rd line if need be.

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05-17-2013, 06:23 AM
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I'm not quite sure my feelings on Malone, however if the price is right I'd do it. He doesn't even have to be a top 6, he could come settle in Cooke's spot on the 3rd line if need be.
Perhaps he could. I'd see him as the safety net for LW with Geno and Neal in case Bennett isn't fully ready. I really want to see Bennett step up and claim that role. But, if he can't, then a guy like Malone would slide in there quite nicely.

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05-17-2013, 01:56 PM
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Shero's going to get the band back together:

Kunitz-Crosby-Iginla
Malone-Malkin-Neal
Jokinen-Sutter-Bennett
Cooke-Vitale-Adams
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cap? what cap?

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05-17-2013, 02:41 PM
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Where's Duper, Crafton!?

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Where's Duper, Crafton!?
Duh! He's obviously the new franchise goalie.

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Where's Duper, Crafton!?
Duper took one for the team. Shero commanded him to cash in on a Glen Sather special - 35M/7Y.

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05-18-2013, 01:30 PM
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let cooke walk or trade his rights and sign stalberg, try and resign murray,iggy and let morrow walk then sign PMB. Trade Glass and sign someone to replace him.


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Trade orpik and possibly martin for younger dmen try to get a first round pick this year, let cooke walk or trade his rights and sign stalberg, try and resign murray,iggy and let morrow walk then sign PMB. Trade Glass and sign someone to replace him resign duper for about 3 years then trade kennedy. Try and resign malkin if the price is right, if not then trade him to the aves for Duchene and this years 1St pick. Then try and resign letand if not trade him for a younger OFD. That's what I want them to do this offseason.
A lot of really awful and far-fetched ideas you got there.

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I really want stalberg


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05-19-2013, 02:09 AM
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healthy-scratched in two consecutive second round playoff games, what's the deal?

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healthy-scratched in two consecutive second round playoff games, what's the deal?
If by "What's the deal" you mean, "Why would you want this guy?" I have no idea. But if by "What's the deal?" you mean "Why is he scratched?," apparently he had a little tiff with HCJQ about his role and playing time. I read it on Yahoo or SBNation I think. But yeah, trading away Malkin as some part of a grand scheme to get Stalberg doesn't sound so good to me.

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All I have to say is:
- Duper and Moore have to be retained
- Get rid of TK
- Brooks is expendable and tradable
- Iginla is expendable and free to go if we can't afford him
- Play our promising youngsters more, especially Beau and Simon

This will leave the Pens with not only cap space for Tanger and Geno but also allow the team to keep the depth and grit of current successes, not to mention continue it through good youngsters getting experience in our system.

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All I have to say is:
- Duper and Moore have to be retained
- Get rid of TK
- Brooks is expendable and tradable
- Iginla is expendable and free to go if we can't afford him
- Play our promising youngsters more, especially Beau and Simon

This will leave the Pens with not only cap space for Tanger and Geno but also allow the team to keep the depth and grit of current successes, not to mention continue it through good youngsters getting experience in our system.
Who the hell is Moore?

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Who the hell is Moore?
Meant Cooke I guess?

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Would you believe that I actually spent like a good minute trying to remember if the Pens had somebody named Moore that I wasn't thinking of?

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What about bringing in Tim Thomas to split starts with Vokoun? The Pens could use a stop gap to bridge them a year or so while they look for a more permanent solution.

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