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01-20-2013, 02:49 PM
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GDT: Liberal Debates

I don't have enough information to do a profile for the GDT, but nine people fighting for control of the former natural governing party (now a third party) is worthy of a GDT, correct?

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01-20-2013, 03:00 PM
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I declare Justin Trudeau to be the winner.

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I declare Justin Trudeau to be the winner.
Coyne seems to be doing the best job right now, IMO. MHF and Garneau are close behind. Trudeau is taking too conservative an approach, and he confused Ottawa and Montreal.

MHF wants to move the Liberals to the left of the NDP on First Nations issues, that seems like a bad strategic idea.

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I only got to watch from around 5:30 up until the start of the closing statements.

Marc Garneau was the most impressive for me. I could easily see him leading the country. Justin Trudeau sounds good when he talks, but it is hard to tell whether he is actually saying anything substantive or not.

I loved when Cauchon just kept talking during the two minute debate. "If he does that again cut his mic."

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I only got to watch from around 5:30 up until the start of the closing statements.

Marc Garneau was the most impressive for me. I could easily see him leading the country. Justin Trudeau sounds good when he talks, but it is hard to tell whether he is actually saying anything substantive or not.

I loved when Cauchon just kept talking during the two minute debate. "If he does that again cut his mic."
I liked Cauchon, but he really shouldn't be leader.

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CBC's Amanda Pfeffer gives an analysis of the first federal Liberal leadership debate in Vancouver.
http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2327436734/

If anyone wants to view it the CBC had the whole debate here:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...vancouver.html

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3rd Debate today at 1 Eastern, I'm interested to see what Marc Garneau will do.

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This has the chance to be the first actual debate without the 'hands off justin' approach from all the others.

Trudeau leads off by saying he's leading by having no details... pathetic. And these clowns in audience clap!?

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What a stupid format. The number of candidates is certainly in Trudeau's favour. I'd really like to see a three or four person debate (Trudeau, Garneau, MHF, plus one). Trudeau is aided every second nobody candidates kill time on the stage.

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Garneau is on an entirely different level when compared to Trudeau. Both appear to me to be better than the NDP and Tory alternatives, but clearly Garneau would be the better substantive choice.

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Garneau is on an entirely different level when compared to Trudeau. Both appear to me to be better than the NDP and Tory alternatives, but clearly Garneau would be the better substantive choice.
It really does seem a choice of picking the best man or picking the ephemeral celebrity. I'm not sure how anybody who chooses based on the former and not the latter can prefer Trudeau.

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This format is a gong show. There isn't enough time to ask a question and a follow up. Pathetic.

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Is it just me or is there a physical resemblance between Marc Garneau and Newt Gingrich?

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Is it just me or is there a physical resemblance between Marc Garneau and Newt Gingrich?
If Garneau put on 30 lbs perhaps...

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Ouch, Joyce Murray just Burned Takash.

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It really shows the sad state of the Liberal party when given such a short time to speak about federal-provincial relations, all they can do is fill half that time with platitudes about "Harper is wrong" and "working together". Absolutely pathetic.

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Dutch Elm Disease? Joyce Murray is a tree expert.

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It really shows the sad state of the Liberal party when given such a short time to speak about federal-provincial relations, all they can do is fill half that time with platitudes about "Harper is wrong" and "working together". Absolutely pathetic.
..because when people want a recommendation on who to support for Liberal leader, they'll ask a lifetime Alberta Conservative.

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Trudeau looked good in his debate with Deborah Coyne, he gave a substantive answer to her question.

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Trudeau looked good in his debate with Deborah Coyne, he gave a substantive answer to her question.
I would have preferred if Justin had asked her...

"Why did you sleep with my father and have his love child?"

Reality TV.

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..because when people want a recommendation on who to support for Liberal leader, they'll ask a lifetime Alberta Conservative.
I care about the quality of our politics and governance. Nobody is served by having weak/inexperienced opposition leaders.

I've said multiple times that I think Garneau is the kind of candidate I could consider supporting in a general election (I believe he even supported the Mulroney Tories). However, my point isn't a partisan observation when evaluating Garneau as compared to Trudeau.

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I would have preferred if Justin had asked her...

"Why did you sleep with my father and have his love child?"

Reality TV.
I was hoping for that too. Though you can tell there is a bit of animosity between them.

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I care about the quality of our politics and governance. Nobody is served by having weak/inexperienced opposition leaders.

I've said multiple times that I think Garneau is the kind of candidate I could consider supporting in a general election (I believe he even supported the Mulroney Tories). However, my point isn't a partisan observation when evaluating Garneau as compared to Trudeau.
A preference for substance, a weighty resume and experience over no substance and flash???

No way - get with the federal Liberal program.

Justin Trudeau has already given the CPC a wealth of material to use against him.

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I would have preferred if Justin had asked her...

"Why did you sleep with my father and have his love child?"

Reality TV.
Yeah, I can't imagine those two will be sitting down for a pleasant dinner conversation anytime soon; however, I still would have appreciated some chair-throwing.
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I've said multiple times that I think Garneau is the kind of candidate I could consider supporting in a general election (I believe he even supported the Mulroney Tories).
Well, forgive me if I find your position difficult to believe given the Tory-at-all-costs stances you've taken since coming to this board so many years ago.

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I was hoping for that too. Though you can tell there is a bit of animosity between them.
And for those unaware Deborah Coyne and Pierre Trudeau in fact had a child.
In what may strike some as a curious case of political timing, Liberal leadership candidate Deborah Coyne is publishing a memoir on her relationship with Pierre Trudeau.

There has always been a degree of prurient interest about the relationship between Coyne and the former prime minister, not only because of the big age difference (she was 30 and he was 67 when they met), but also because it produced a child, who has grown up largely outside the public spotlight. According to the Toronto Star, which tried to interview her on the tenth anniversary of her father’s death, “the public didn’t even know of her existence until four months after her birth when she became front page news after it emerged that Trudeau — then 71 — had been listed as the father on her birth certificate.”
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...h-information/

As Ms. Coyne wrote:
“I would have settled down with Pierre, even married him, but he had a life that involved both numerous public commitments, even at that later stage of his life, and his family. He wasn’t prepared to commit to anything. We never intended to have children. At his age, and with the three sons he was so proud of, he understandably didn’t see having another child in his future.

“Given the circumstances, I understood and accepted the way things had to be. Our relationship together was no less significant or meaningful, just because it was unconventional.”

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