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Ballard, Robidas, Hamonic to Colorado

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01-21-2013, 01:06 PM
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It probably would be ROR+ROB+prospect/pick for Hamonic+Nielsen
No thanks.

The isles have their #1 center in Tavares.ROR is looking for 1st line money($5m).

Even if he weren't, the isles have Nielsen with his 45-47 pts a season, on the 2nd line.

And the isles have promising young centers knocking on the nhl door: Strome, Brock Nelson, Sundstrome, Cizikas.

They have a deeper pool of quality forward prospects, then blueline prospects. No interest in moving Hamonic.

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01-21-2013, 01:07 PM
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You are looking at the trade in hindsight though. Those firsts could've been anywhere from 1st overall to 20th overall.

I wouldn't say they held far more value, but they certainly held more value. Lets say the Canucks first is around 25th overall this year, Ballard (who has more value than a 3rd, despite what you personally would offer for him) and one of our top 3 prospects (all of whom would be comparable to a 1st round pick) is equal to the Boston trade at the time of the trade. I also think that was a bad trade when it happened, and Toronto overpaid at the time before Seguin even entered the conversation. They wanted Kessel though, and were threatening an offersheet, which compounded matters.
Go look at that Leafs roster and tell me with a straight face their 1st could have been anywhere near 20th. That team was not a playoff team.




No, it is not comparable. Leaf 1st at time>>Canuck 1st now. I would take the Leafs 2nd at the time over Ballard as well, and I would take the other leaf 1st over any Canuck prospect right now. I like Jensen a lot, but still think a top 15 1st holds more value than he does. So no, your offer is not even close to being equivalent, nevermind the fact that the Avs DO NOT WANT FUTURES. We don't want late 1st round picks or prospects. Other team will have better offers value wise and need wise for the Avs. Oh, and they won't be one of the top teams in the league in our division. If you want to solve the Canucks center issue, go look elsewhere. You won't be getting a top 21 year old center for a late 1st, prospects, and mediocre 30 year old defensman with a 4.2m cap hit

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01-21-2013, 01:10 PM
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There is no way that Ballard or Tanev would be a base for ROR considering I ahve seen Tornot fans willing to start with Gardiner +
I would take Gardiner+3rd line center over most offers I have seen so far. Certainly over what the Canucks are offering

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01-21-2013, 01:11 PM
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I understand Islanders not wanting to trade away their best blue liner, but how does ROR not fit this description?

ROR is not a need. He is a luxury for the NYI.
Isles have a #1 center is 22 yr old Tavares. According to Staples in a recent chat, the organzation loves Brock Nelson. They will have B. Nelson and Strome, pushing Frans Nielsen for his 2nd line spot.

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ROR is not a need. He is a luxury for the NYI.
Isles have a #1 center is 22 yr old Tavares. According to Staples in a recent chat, the organzation loves Brock Nelson. They will have B. Nelson and Strome, pushing Frans Nielsen for his 2nd line spot.
Then say centre is not a need than say Islander needs cornerstone players next time. Nelson is definitely a solid player, but remember you can trade those players for a defenseman.

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Robidas should be very, very cheap.

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Then say centre is not a need than say Islander needs cornerstone players next time. Nelson is definitely a solid player, but remember you can trade those players for a defenseman.
Isles think Hamonic is developing into a stud for them.

How much will it cost them to trade for a 22 yr old, blueline stud?

What would the Caps demand for Carlson? What would the Habs demand for Subban?

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Robidas should be very, very cheap.
Like.....SOB and 4th 2014 cheap?

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Like.....SOB and 4th 2014 cheap?
I'd take it. Sadly, I doubt GMJN would.

As for why we want him gone so badly, he's not a bad defender. He's simply our coach's favorite toy, and he's using him as a #1 defender (which he is very, very far from). He'd actually be worth something if he were being played in the role he should be (#3-5 with very little PP time) instead of what he is now (1st PP unit, 22+ minutes a game).

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I'd take it. Sadly, I doubt GMJN would.

As for why we want him gone so badly, he's not a bad defender. He's simply our coach's favorite toy, and he's using him as a #1 defender (which he is very, very far from). He'd actually be worth something if he were being played in the role he should be (#3-5 with very little PP time) instead of what he is now (1st PP unit, 22+ minutes a game).
We need a defender as a filler for EJ on the first pairing until we get a replacement or when Siemens is ready. By the sounds of it he might not be our guy. What is your opinion? He would be first pairing, zero PP time, and be part of the PK unit.

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doubt the isles would move hamonic, guy looks like a keeper, i think he's tad overrated at this point, but i think he will be a good one.

ROR doesnt fit a need for the isles, if strome and brock nelson pan out, and frans neilsen isn't that much of a drop off either.

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We need a defender as a filler for EJ on the first pairing until we get a replacement or when Siemens is ready. By the sounds of it he might not be our guy. What is your opinion? He would be first pairing, zero PP time, and be part of the PK unit.
With a guy like EJ he should be fine. Not great, but not bad. Just keep him off the PP and limited PK time and that'd be fine.

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With a guy like EJ he should be fine. Not great, but not bad. Just keep him off the PP and limited PK time and that'd be fine.
If only Sherman was viewing this thread.

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01-21-2013, 01:49 PM
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I'd rather shop elsewhere, ex-Avs burn us wayyyy too frequently to send someone inter-division.
Well, Ballard is an ex-Av

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Colorado fans interested in Tallinder?

Devils would be looking for top nine forwards, preferably wingers, or a very close to NHL ready forward. We don't need goaltending or defense, both NHL level or prospect.

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Isles think Hamonic is developing into a stud for them.

How much will it cost them to trade for a 22 yr old, blueline stud?

What would the Caps demand for Carlson? What would the Habs demand for Subban?
They would probably consider a deal based around ROR, to be completely honest. The Habs probably more than the Caps (at least until Subban is signed), but it could probably get done on both counts. It would be ROR+ prospect/picks but it's not that far off.

ROR is a 21 year old, 59 point scoring 2C with a Selke (or 3) likely in his future. Unsigned or not, he's got a lot of value.

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Colorado fans interested in Tallinder?

Devils would be looking for top nine forwards, preferably wingers, or a very close to NHL ready forward. We don't need goaltending or defense, both NHL level or prospect.
Good D/G prospects are where the Avs have a lot of depth. Not a lot of forwards that are expendable.

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01-21-2013, 03:11 PM
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To Van: Robidas, Glennie

To Dal: Ballard, Rodin

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Good D/G prospects are where the Avs have a lot of depth. Not a lot of forwards that are expendable.
I would say Olver could be moved.

I would probably do like Olver + 3rd for Tallinder. He'd be a nice addition to the Avs back end actually.

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Yeah, I'd do that. Ballard might see a little better playing time, Robidas is a righty, Rodin isn't close to the cut yet, but has the talent, and I think Glennie and Rodin would both benefit greatly from a change of scenery.

I've got to ask though, what has Robidas done to incur the wrath of Stars fans?

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They would probably consider a deal based around ROR, to be completely honest. The Habs probably more than the Caps (at least until Subban is signed), but it could probably get done on both counts. It would be ROR+ prospect/picks but it's not that far off.

ROR is a 21 year old, 59 point scoring 2C with a Selke (or 3) likely in his future. Unsigned or not, he's got a lot of value.
I really like ROR, and personally I value him more than Benn as far as the RFA C's go right now.

I look at his comp as Patrice Bergeron personally, perhaps slightly higher offensive upside.

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Good D/G prospects are where the Avs have a lot of depth. Not a lot of forwards that are expendable.
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I would say Olver could be moved.

I would probably do like Olver + 3rd for Tallinder. He'd be a nice addition to the Avs back end actually.
Devils can get much better deals than that.

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That's actually an intriguing proposal. All of those players have the potential to be much better with a change of scenery.

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I'd do Ballard for C. Gaunce too.

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I'd be happy If we got a 2nd for Ballard.

He's really nothing more than a #5 defenseman, maybe 4 on Colorado.

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