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Ballard, Robidas, Hamonic to Colorado

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01-21-2013, 09:14 PM
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Hamonic is the Isles #1 defensman and hes only 22 and getting better....

We are not moving him...

The Isles are very Thin on defense at the NHL level...Most of our prospects are not ready to make the jum or have a real impact...

Hammer stays..

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01-21-2013, 09:23 PM
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Stephane Robidas, Scott Glennie and a 4th for Steve Downie, Michael Sgarbossa and a 3rd.

I'm not sure how much Avalanche fan's value Downie.

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01-21-2013, 09:26 PM
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Stephane Robidas, Scott Glennie and a 4th for Steve Downie, Michael Sgarbossa and a 3rd.

I'm not sure how much Avalanche fan's value Downie.
No chance from the Avs.

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01-21-2013, 09:30 PM
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Stephane Robidas, Scott Glennie and a 4th for Steve Downie, Michael Sgarbossa and a 3rd.

I'm not sure how much Avalanche fan's value Downie.
Not even close. Downie>Robidas, Sgarbossa>>Glennie, 3rd>4th. Brutal. Avs give up 3 best pieces pretty easily. How could you even think this was fair

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01-21-2013, 11:31 PM
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for hamonic throw in duchene and o'reilly's negotiating rights and we will talk

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01-21-2013, 11:40 PM
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Every team in the league yearns for a young, RH defenseman that will be on their team for years. The Doughtys, Pietrangelos, Bogosians, Karlssons of the league are examples of this. Most teams, unless they have an abundance, won't give them up so fast (EJ to Colorado for more playing time for Pietrangelo). Hamonic is that to the Islanders, and will not be moved unless it's for an upgrade in the position.


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01-21-2013, 11:51 PM
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for hamonic throw in duchene and o'reilly's negotiating rights and we will talk
Sorry, who is the "we" ?The Islanders and...? It certainly wouldn't be the Avs. Oh, I get it! Your in the midst of screwing the Avs GM in NHL 13?? NOW it makes sense.

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01-22-2013, 12:02 AM
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Yeah, I'd do that. Ballard might see a little better playing time, Robidas is a righty, Rodin isn't close to the cut yet, but has the talent, and I think Glennie and Rodin would both benefit greatly from a change of scenery.

I've got to ask though, what has Robidas done to incur the wrath of Stars fans?
It's really not so much him as it is the coaching staff. If Robidas were played like the bottom pairing defenseman he is rather than 1st pairing with power play and pk time then he'd be a decent place holder. Instead Dallas puts him in a situation he's bound to fail, repeats it and wonders why they struggle to clear their own zone. Robidas and Goligoski as a pair get man-handled down low. If Goli was paired with a bigger guy who can move the puck like Ballard it would help both players' games.

Robidas in Vancouver where he's not over exposed would be a good veteran defender capable of handling the role he's given. Robidas in Dallas playing 20+ minutes a night alongside another smallish defender isn't being used in the best manner. If Gultazan can't use his players properly they need to be shipped out so he doesn't put them in situations they cannot handle.

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01-22-2013, 12:28 AM
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for hamonic throw in duchene and o'reilly's negotiating rights and we will talk
I am a huge Hamonic fan and understand how much he means to your team, but in NO universe and literally mean NO, would he be close to Duchene and rights to ROR.

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01-22-2013, 01:17 AM
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I am a huge Hamonic fan and understand how much he means to your team, but in NO universe and literally mean NO, would he be close to Duchene and rights to ROR.
if duchene has another bad season and o rielly doesn't get a contract by the end of the season i would say it would be more than fair

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01-22-2013, 01:25 AM
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if duchene has another bad season and o rielly doesn't get a contract by the end of the season i would say it would be more than fair
Maybe add Dipietro to offset the salary.

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01-22-2013, 01:32 AM
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I could actually see Ballard having some success in Colorado. Alongside a stable RH guy like Johnson or O'Byrne, and with a fresh start in a more forgiving system with some more minutes and freedom to roam...Ballard could actually be an asset to some extent.

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I am a huge Hamonic fan and understand how much he means to your team, but in NO universe and literally mean NO, would he be close to Duchene and rights to ROR.
While I agree with you that the value is not fair, I also agree with the basic premise that the Islanders have no incentive to trade Hamonic for anything less than a massive overpayment. He is perfectly in line with what the team is trying to build, management is high on his upside, he is currently playing as our #1 Dman, defense is our weakest position from an organizational standpoint, and good young physical defenseman with offensive skill are a very rare commodity. I suspect management views him as a core player, and a key piece of the rebuild. Unless there is a contract issue, I highly doubt the Islanders trade him.

Quoting you is weird, I feel like I'm talking to myself

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01-22-2013, 02:00 AM
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I could actually see Ballard having some success in Colorado. Alongside a stable RH guy like Johnson or O'Byrne, and with a fresh start in a more forgiving system with some more minutes and freedom to roam...Ballard could actually be an asset to some extent.
Yep, I posted a bit of a diatribe in the 'Nucks forum, but the decline in Ballard's point totals are directly related to 3 things:

-A drop in his average PP TOI a game from 2:10-2:40 in Phoenix and Florida to 0:00 in Vancouver.
-A drop in his ES TOI from ~16:00-17:00 a game to ~14:00 a game.
-A change in the lines he is deployed with. In Florida for example he was the #3 d-man by TOI/game (Bouwmeester #1 and McCabe #2), and as such saw a significantly greater proportion of his ES TOI with the top-6. Whereas in Vancouver he is the #5 d-man by TOI and sees almost zero time with the top-6.

The two reasons for this are:

-We have 4 d-men who are better than him, 3 of them play the same side.

-Ballard has a pretty average outlet pass, his offensive strength is his skating and carrying the puck through the neutral zone. The Canucks transition game, particularly since 10/11, is heavily dependent on the d-man getting a good 1st pass onto the stick of the forwards skating through the neutral zone. Thus our system, as opposed to playing too his strength, plays to his weaknesses. This is why AV doesn't 'like' him much (although he's playing more minutes this season so far than in previous years).

He is actually a damn good #5 d-man for us, he's just overpriced on what will be a cap-pressed team next year. I see no reason why he couldn't get 18-20 minutes a game, with a bit of PP time, on a team with less defensive depth and score 25-30 points like he has in the past.

Long rant aside, he doesn't have much in the way of trade currency, but is still an NHL-level defenceman. Hence why i'd propose something like Ballard for Cam Gaunce if it were the Avs who were after him.

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01-22-2013, 02:03 AM
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Ballard + Raymond + 2013 top 25 protected 1st round pick for Landeskog.

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Ballard + Raymond + 2013 top 25 protected 1st round pick for Landeskog.
Really?

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01-22-2013, 02:23 AM
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I don't want Ballard. I've seen a large amount of Canucks games, and he makes lots of boneheaded mistakes which makes both him and his partner look worse. If he can't handle a #5/6 role on the Canucks, theres no way he should be getting top 4 minutes on the Avs.

I don't care what he was in Florida, since he's been in Vancouver he's been atrocious for the salary he's getting paid. He is better than some of the defensemen he got scratched for last season, but not by much.

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01-22-2013, 02:53 AM
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Ballard + Raymond + 2013 top 25 protected 1st round pick for Landeskog.
I like how the 1st has to be top 25 protected.

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Ballard + Raymond + 2013 top 25 protected 1st round pick for Landeskog.
wat.

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01-22-2013, 05:16 AM
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Ballard + Raymond + 2013 top 25 protected 1st round pick for Landeskog.
lol.


Add Ebbett and all of our dumbass signings like Vandermeer and Barker. Let's be fair here...

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From an outsiders perspective Hamonic is equal to Duchene in terms of value. If NYI had an abundance of d men and needed center there might be a deal. But I dont see either team doing this deal anytime soon.

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Curious to what Nucks fans want for Ballard? He isn't offensively gifted, but we need him for a defensive role and decent skating.

Avs have ton of depth defensemen, so one of them would probably go back.

Also Canucks would have to keep 1.4 to 1.6 million of his salary as well.
Hamonic gets placed in a group with Robidas & Ballard? He is woefully underrated. Robidas or Ballard might be achievable. Not sure the Isles would trade Hamonic for Duchene.

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Hamonic gets placed in a group with Robidas & Ballard? He is woefully underrated. Robidas or Ballard might be achievable. Not sure the Isles would trade Hamonic for Duchene.
This thread has no reflection on Hamonic's perceived value, it's just three players that SEPH is interested in.

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Really?
If we ask politely they may even toss in some stadium nachos.

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Ballard + Raymond + 2013 top 25 protected 1st round pick for Landeskog.
This thread just gets worse and worse...stuff like this should be infraction worthy.

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