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01-20-2013, 09:05 PM
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Ben Scrivens

Why no hype for this guy? His stats are ****ing outstanding.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=94416

I know it's the ECAC but you can't ask for a better and more consistent SV% than that. His AHL numbers are excellent and the thing that stands out to me more than anything is his consistency.

I'm cautiously optimistic about this guy. At 26 he's got plenty of experience and last year he had ten games to adjust to the NHL. Is it really unrealistic to say he could be our new starter for the forseeable future?

And before anyone comments that I'm making too much out of his first game this year I'm not even taking that into account.

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01-20-2013, 09:09 PM
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One game at a time. If he consistently gives the Leafs a better chance to win than Reimer, he deserves more playing time. Don't want to get too optimistic about him only to find out he isn't the real deal.

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Reimer's stats:http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=89975

Going purely off statistics here, if given the choice between the two I'd pick Scrivens.

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I don't think he is or ever will be a starting goalie in the NHL. He's 26 (2 years older than Reimer) and really hasn't established himself as anything more than a good AHL guy. While he was up last year he wasn't very impressive most games and I thought he looked very shaky for most of the game against Montreal. For a guy who's been playing all season I was expecting a more confident and steady approach. If he gained confidence from the Montreal game and continues to win then I'm all for letting him play. However, if he doesn't impress I think it's time to bury him and move on.

Also, I hate the way he holds his glove. It just doesn't make sense in my mind for a goalie to position his hand that way. Anyways, that's for a different thread.

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He didn't look good last night to be honest. He made the saves but our D was pretty solid in front of him last night. I actually like Reimer more than Scrivens.

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I don't think he is or ever will be a starting goalie in the NHL. He's 26 (2 years older than Reimer) and really hasn't established himself as anything more than a good AHL guy. While he was up last year he wasn't very impressive most games and I thought he looked very shaky for most of the game against Montreal. For a guy who's been playing all season I was expecting a more confident and steady approach. If he gained confidence from the Montreal game and continues to win then I'm all for letting him play. However, if he doesn't impress I think it's time to bury him and move on.

Also, I hate the way he holds his glove. It just doesn't make sense in my mind for a goalie to position his hand that way. Anyways, that's for a different thread.

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I don't think he is or ever will be a starting goalie in the NHL. He's 26 (2 years older than Reimer) and really hasn't established himself as anything more than a good AHL guy. While he was up last year he wasn't very impressive most games and I thought he looked very shaky for most of the game against Montreal. For a guy who's been playing all season I was expecting a more confident and steady approach.

Also, I hate the way he holds his glove. It just doesn't make sense in my mind for a goalie to position his hand that way. Anyways, that's for a different thread.
I don't think that 12 game sample size means much compared to the rest of his career thus far. Especially when you factor in the pressure of trying to establish yourself in the NHL.

As far as his glove, I agree. But you can't argue with results, it works in the AHL so why can't it work in the NHL?

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Because a lot of people around here are in love with reimer

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He didn't look good last night to be honest. He made the saves but our D was pretty solid in front of him last night. I actually like Reimer more than Scrivens.
Yeah, he looked nervous. But if he can get over those nerves (which he should, it's pretty typical for rookies to be nervous) I think we have ourselves a decent starting goalie here.

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Stats don't tell the whole story, and I think that Reimer has more potential.

That said, some goalies bloom late, and at 26, Scrivens is no dinosaur. I could seem him outplaying Reimer for the starting role this season.

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he'll got more respect the more he plays

numbers this and that
who gives a **** about numbers, a bunch of kids who have no idea what they're talking about?

do me a favour
go watch the game, 60 minutes of Scrivens playing
asset that, not a stupid .921

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I don't think that 12 game sample size means much compared to the rest of his career thus far. Especially when you factor in the pressure of trying to establish yourself in the NHL.

As far as his glove, I agree. But you can't argue with results, it works in the AHL so why can't it work in the NHL?
I'm concerned that it won't work in the NHL because of how much harder the players shoot than they do in the AHL. I will be very surprised if he isn't beat on the glove side more often than not.

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he'll got more respect the more he plays

numbers this and that
who gives a **** about numbers, a bunch of kids who have no idea what they're talking about?

do me a favour
go watch the game, 60 minutes of Scrivens playing
asset that, not a stupid .921
I did watch the game. And a handfull of the games he played last year. Even a couple Marlies games. And i read some scouting reports.

My question was why is there no hype surrounding this guy, given that's the only way most people typically rate prospects and rookies.

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he'll got more respect the more he plays

numbers this and that
who gives a **** about numbers, a bunch of kids who have no idea what they're talking about?

do me a favour
go watch the game, 60 minutes of Scrivens playing
asset that, not a stupid .921
Well he will need to be better then he was against the smurfs.....rebounds will kill him as will relying on his big body by going down early. He is not the fastest goalie in the world post to post and because of this he plays a little to deep in the net for my liking, lets hope he turns into a great goalie in the NHL we can use one......but my feeling is that he is a long way from that! Sure hope I'm wrong.

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what point are you trying to make here?

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he'll got more respect the more he plays

numbers this and that
who gives a **** about numbers, a bunch of kids who have no idea what they're talking about?

do me a favour
go watch the game, 60 minutes of Scrivens playing
asset that, not a stupid .921
Agree with this. Ahl stats mean almost nothing, gotta base it of nhl and tbh it hasn't looked good. Even last season he had 1 solid game and started being extremely shaky in the rest. I doubt he'll ever be a solid nhl goalie. I think reimer has way more potential because he played amazing 2 years ago and last season before injury he was pretty solid, not amazing but still solid.

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Agree with this. Ahl stats mean almost nothing, gotta base it of nhl and tbh it hasn't looked good. Even last season he had 1 solid game and started being extremely shaky in the rest. I doubt he'll ever be a solid nhl goalie. I think reimer has way more potential because he played amazing 2 years ago and last season before injury he was pretty solid, not amazing but still solid.
Reimer is the better of the two IMO. Last season it just seemed like Reimer got away from what made him successful during his first call up. He seemed to have changed his style to incorporate what Allaire wanted him to do.

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LOL @ anyone who points at his shakiness after the very 1st game of the season, on Hockey Night in Canada, in Montreal!

Give the man a break, there has to be a lot of nerves in a game like this, for anyone, especially with his experience. Also he really wasn't challenged, and a lot of goalies in games like that, argue that these are the games most difficult to get a rhythm in. Personally I thought he was seeing the puck well, fighting for position well, and outside of his puck handling, didn't do anything to really worry me, after the very 1st game of the season.

The man has been one of the very best goalies in the AHL over the past couple seasons, if not the best last year. This is what gives me hope. Schneider is the same age as Scrivens, and has played only 56 more NHL games then Scrivens. So his age really shouldn't be a huge factor, 26 is about the age Goalies mature into starting roles.

I'm not saying he's going to be the next Ed Belfour, but I'm not going to write his potential off, because of an awkward glove style.

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what point are you trying to make here?
I'm not. It's for comparisons sake. I've already stated my opinion that is Scrivens' style worked in the AHL I don't see why it wouldn't in the NHL.

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LOL @ anyone who points at his shakiness after the very 1st game of the season, on Hockey Night in Canada, in Montreal!

Give the man a break, there has to be a lot of nerves in a game like this, for anyone, especially with his experience. Also he really wasn't challenged, and a lot of goalies in games like that, argue that these are the games most difficult to get a rhythm in. Personally I thought he was seeing the puck well, fighting for position well, and outside of his puck handling, didn't do anything to really worry me, after the very 1st game of the season.

The man has been one of the very best goalies in the AHL over the past couple seasons, if not the best last year. This is what gives me hope. Schneider is the same age as Scrivens, and has played only 56 more NHL games then Scrivens. So his age really shouldn't be a huge factor, 26 is about the age Goalies mature into starting roles.

I'm not saying he's going to be the next Ed Belfour, but I'm not going to write his potential off, because of an awkward glove style.
Thank you sir.

Imagine how nervous you's be in Scrivens' shoes. Hard to perform under that kind of pressure.

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I'm not. It's for comparisons sake. I've already stated my opinion that is Scrivens' style worked in the AHL I don't see why it wouldn't in the NHL.
Because the NHL has the best players in the world that are going to target his glove hand. Id love if he finds success for us, but I refuse to be confident in him or any goalie we have at this point. After all our failed goalie experiments you can't really be surprised I feel that way lol

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Because the NHL has the best players in the world that are going to target his glove hand. Id love if he finds success for us, but I refuse to be confident in him or any goalie we have at this point. After all our failed goalie experiments you can't really be surprised I feel that way lol
I don't really see how it's a weakness though. He holds his hand up at the top part of the net and swings down towards the puck if it's going lower to the glove side, whereas most goalies hold their hand lower and have to move it up if the puck is going high glove side.

If you wanna get scientific it's easier to work with gravity than against it.

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~ InGoal Facebook Fan Steve Pace asks” You have a very unusual glove positioning; how did that develop and why? And Marvin Pinero has a similar question: Why is your catcher so high up? What benefits do you get from it than having a normal stance?
Ben Scrivens Toronto Marlies Goaltender

Scrivens likes to hold his glove so it is more perpendicular to the path of a puck coming up off the ice, effectively maximizing the surface area that is square to the puck. (InGoal File Photo)

Scrivens: “My thinking behind it – and I am huge into logic and reason in terms of how I do things – so if you have your glove sideways [with the thumb pointed straight up or even more open] where does the puck come from? The puck comes up from the ice, so the angle it comes at is up so I want to face as much of the glove as possible perpendicular to that path. And then the other thing I was going with, is what’s harder to do – because mostly every goalie is dropping while they are making saves – so what’s harder to do, lift a limb back up against the momentum of your body, or start with the arm up top and keep it there? So you have gravity and momentum working with you more. Again so much of it is trial and error, and everybody has their own way of doing things. But I found that works for me. I like to stay up top because that’s where guys shoot the most if they’ve got time and space. They are looking upstairs, so try and take that away visually and then if they shoot it up there you are not moving anything, it’s not as much of a reaction save to try and windmill it every time. And then anything down I am already going down, and I’ve got gravity and momentum going down and that helps me get it down and close everything up fast still.”

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~ InGoal Facebook Fan Steve Pace asks” You have a very unusual glove positioning; how did that develop and why? And Marvin Pinero has a similar question: Why is your catcher so high up? What benefits do you get from it than having a normal stance?
Ben Scrivens Toronto Marlies Goaltender

Scrivens likes to hold his glove so it is more perpendicular to the path of a puck coming up off the ice, effectively maximizing the surface area that is square to the puck. (InGoal File Photo)

Scrivens: “My thinking behind it – and I am huge into logic and reason in terms of how I do things – so if you have your glove sideways [with the thumb pointed straight up or even more open] where does the puck come from? The puck comes up from the ice, so the angle it comes at is up so I want to face as much of the glove as possible perpendicular to that path. And then the other thing I was going with, is what’s harder to do – because mostly every goalie is dropping while they are making saves – so what’s harder to do, lift a limb back up against the momentum of your body, or start with the arm up top and keep it there? So you have gravity and momentum working with you more. Again so much of it is trial and error, and everybody has their own way of doing things. But I found that works for me. I like to stay up top because that’s where guys shoot the most if they’ve got time and space. They are looking upstairs, so try and take that away visually and then if they shoot it up there you are not moving anything, it’s not as much of a reaction save to try and windmill it every time. And then anything down I am already going down, and I’ve got gravity and momentum going down and that helps me get it down and close everything up fast still.”

Interesting. It actually does make sense.

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