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01-21-2013, 03:39 PM
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Well, it has 2.5M people and the 24th largest metro in America -- and growing. And now it is the largest metro in the US without a sports team.
It's also the capital city of California -- one of the larger economic entities on the planet.
Sacramento is also about 38 miles from the easternmost counties of the San Francisco metro area meaning there's no reason at all for the league to put a team there, it's an effective secondary market.

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01-21-2013, 03:43 PM
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I can think of at least 10 markets the NHL would look before Sacramento:

Seattle
Quebec
Toronto
Kansas City
Hamilton/K-W
Houston
Portland
San Antonio
Milwaukee (especially if the Bucks do leave)
San Diego
Atlanta redux redux

that is 12
The problem is only two of those twelve actually want to get a team or the league is willing to put a team there. Hamilton and a second Toronto team would have already happened if they wanted to with how lucrative those markets would be. The reality is that the league doesn't want to put teams there because of teams that are already there.

Houston, Portland, San Antonio, Milwaukee, San Diego, Atlanta, and Kansas City don't want teams either because they don't have an arena deal in place or willing investors. And I am a big proponent of a lot of these markets getting a team if there were willing investors...especially Houston, Portland, Atlanta, and Wisconsin.

In Sacramento, there is an arena deal in place. There are local investors that want in on said deal. Whether it is basketball or hockey will depend on which league is smart enough to give the market a chance and be the only game in town.

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01-21-2013, 03:45 PM
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Sacramento is also about 38 miles from the easternmost counties of the San Francisco metro area meaning there's no reason at all for the league to put a team there, it's an effective secondary market.
The closest franchise to Sacramento is 100 miles away. It is not a secondary market and you would be insulting people by saying that to those people.

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01-21-2013, 03:47 PM
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Yeah but like that was before they lost the team... how many people are still going to be interested come tomorrow?

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The closest franchise to Sacramento is 100 miles away. It is not a secondary market and you would be insulting people by saying that to those people.
Has not and will not stop anyone watching the Sharks on TV in Sacramento, which is really all the NHL cares about.

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Yeah but like that was before they lost the team... how many people are still going to be interested come tomorrow?
Unfortunately Sac mayor is gonna attempt to fight the sale and try to convince 29 owners that Sac is better for the NBA than Seattle is.

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01-21-2013, 03:51 PM
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Yeah but like that was before they lost the team... how many people are still going to be interested come tomorrow?
The same people that were interested in buying the Kings will be interested in getting a new team in here. Just because the Maloofs may end up selling somewhere else doesn't mean that interest will wane. If anything, it will intensify because this would be the largest market in the nation without a single pro sports franchise. I would not take that lightly.

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Has not and will not stop anyone watching the Sharks on TV in Sacramento, which is really all the NHL cares about.
The NHL is a gate-driven league and a situation that comes up for them to be the only game in town would be hugely beneficial for a franchise of said league.

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The same people that were interested in buying the Kings will be interested in getting a new team in here. Just because the Maloofs may end up selling somewhere else doesn't mean that interest will wane. If anything, it will intensify because this would be the largest market in the nation without a single pro sports franchise. I would not take that lightly.



The NHL is a gate-driven league and a situation that comes up for them to be the only game in town would be hugely beneficial for a franchise of said league.
It seems like the NHL is trying to move away from being a gate-driven league which is great considering it isn't the AHL or AAA baseball. And the ratings were great in a lot of markets over the weekend

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I can think of at least 10 markets the NHL would look before Sacramento:

Seattle
Quebec
Toronto
Kansas City
Hamilton/K-W
Houston
Portland
San Antonio
Milwaukee (especially if the Bucks do leave)
San Diego
Atlanta redux redux

that is 12
Seattle - could possibly work if their arena plans materialize.
Quebec - probably the best case scenario. They finalized an arena deal which could be used to attract an NHL team in the future
Toronto - not happening, Leafs would raise hell over it.
Kansas City - has a new building but for some strange reason doesn't want an NHL team playing in it. Perhaps they're waiting for the NBA to come back.
Hamilton/Kitchener/Waterloo - See Toronto
Houston - could work, they supported the Aeros in the past. Don't know what their current arena situation is though.
Portland - Not as long as Paul Allen owns the Rose Garden. They would need an arena of their own
San Antonio - Can't see them getting a team over Houston.
Milwaukee - No arena, plus the Blackhawks would likely block a team from being put there.
San Diego - Again, no arena. Although if they did in fact build one, San Diego could become quite the hockey city. The San Diego Sports Arena is ancient even by arena standards and its surprising that city never built anything new to replace it.
Atlanta - Not as long as Atlanta Spirit Group controls the arena. A new owner would have to build them their own separate building.

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Now that Seattle is getting the NBA back, a new arena there is a certainty. I would be inclined to think that Seattle jumps to the top of any NHL potential relocation list. Key arena was the only thing holding serious consideration back in the past.

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It seems like the NHL is trying to move away from being a gate-driven league which is great considering it isn't the AHL or AAA baseball. And the ratings were great in a lot of markets over the weekend
They can try all they want but it's not the reality of the league and it won't be even with the novelty of this weekend being what it is.

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They can try all they want but it's not the reality of the league and it won't be even with the novelty of this weekend being what it is.
That isn't true. The league recently signed a record deal with NBC and local deals are worth millions as well. This weekend may have been a novelty but ratings will stay high in those markets.

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That isn't true. The league recently signed a record deal with NBC and local deals are worth millions as well. Ratings have been rising nationally and this weekend may have been a novelty but ratings will stay high in those markets
And those deals still pale in comparison to where their revenue really comes from...the gate. They are still a long, long way from getting away from that.

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And those deals still pale in comparison to where their revenue really comes from...the gate. They are still a long, long way from getting away from that.
You're missing the point. They are heading in the right direction and TV deals have a lot to do with the record revenues.

http://bizmology.hoovers.com/2012/04...ecord-revenue/

"The NHL has particularly benefited from the 10-year, $2 billion broadcast deal with NBCUniversal that was signed last spring."

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PF is right. The NBC deal is peanuts and only 10 teams play on there all the time. Growing the game... yeah right. If there's no NYC, Chicago, Boston, Philly people are not watching.

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Does Sac have an owner? No. That's another KC.

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Well, it has 2.5M people and the 24th largest metro in America -- and growing. And now it is the largest metro in the US without a sports team.
It's also the capital city of California -- one of the larger economic entities on the planet.
Sure, California is a blue state basket case. But they still have Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Not to mention the most perfect weather in America.
And California is sitting on massive energy reserves and can spark an energy boom if they ever decide to.
At some point I predict the ruling class eco-zealots that run California will get voted out. California is increasingly Mexican and Mexicans have no problem with drilling for oil -- Pemex is the national treasure of Mexico. The idea of not drilling to avoid offending the "green" religious sensibilities of the ruling class liberals won't last forever. (I'm not predicting a resurrection of the Repubs in Cali, but most likely a pro-drilling Mex-American Democrat rising to power. A pro-drilling socialist basically, just without the weird earth religion/nature worship stuff.)

California has the luxury of having so many natural advantages that they can screw things up really bad for a long time, but now they are really feeling the consequences of decades of poor decision making. I'm confident they can learn.
Seriously, eco zealots? Socialist. How is being an environmentalist weird? Dude this is not the politics forum.

Besides, Sac is not getting a team. Seattle first. But I have a name if they do

Sacramento Cyclones.

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If Sacramento can't get a building for basketball, they're sure as hell not going to get one for hockey.

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City of Sac would have to re-approve the deal they had with the maloofs with the new owners and that could take time depending on if there are any issues with the new city council that took office this month.

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MOD NOTE: Enough with the politics. Head over to the political board if you want to have that conversation.

(Only the directly applicable discussions regarding arena/team "political" discussions will be allowed.)

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Sure, why not, four teams in California with two teams in Ontario makes total sense to me...

 
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Sure, why not, four teams in California with two teams in Ontario makes total sense to me...
Ontario already has two teams.

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I could see Sacramento getting a minor league team. But NHL?

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