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12-20-2012, 11:17 PM
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Why isn't Bud Holloway in the NHL?

I was just peering around the Internuts at various things, and came across Bud Holloway, a 24 year old Canadian who seems to be acquitting himself quite well in the SEL. From all I can see, he never really got a shot in the NHL, though; anyone know why he hasn't at least played a few games? Aside from the lockout, har har.

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12-20-2012, 11:27 PM
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Fun fact: Holloway once scored all 4 GWG in an AHL playoff series.

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It wasn't that he wasn't given a chance, the Kings gave him a qualifying offer which he refused and signed in the SEL instead.

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12-20-2012, 11:50 PM
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He rejected his offer at the start of last season and went to Europe, which many fans thought was a mistake because he would have seen NHL time with the Kings this year. Now it doesn't matter as there isn't really a place for advancement for him anymore. He is moving on and will be a good pickup for someone in the future, Oscar Moller too.

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Rejected an offer when he was next in line to see some NHL ice.

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I thought the NHL disbanded?

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Rejected an offer when he was next in line to see some NHL ice.
This.

Of course, Kings ended up doing just fine.

Holloway... well he might see some NHL action but just not going to be with the Kings.

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12-21-2012, 12:56 AM
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Speaking of this guy and Moller too, do we still own their rights for long enough so they'd be worth trading?

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12-21-2012, 01:03 AM
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The SEL isn't a very good league. Doing well in the SEL often means a player might scrape by as a fourth liner in the NHL.

Remember, Shawn Horcoff ripped up the SEL during the last lockout.

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12-21-2012, 01:09 AM
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Speaking of this guy and Moller too, do we still own their rights for long enough so they'd be worth trading?
Both are qualified RFA, so the Kings own their rights so long as they stay RFA's...which under the 05 CBA was 27 years old. So the Kings will hold Holloway's rights until July 1, 2015. Since Moller played as a 19 year old, he burned a year there. So he will only be held until 26, which coincidently is July 1, 2015 as well.

Holloway should have been in the NHL both of the previous years. But when the Kings refused to give him 1 way deal back in 11-12 (even though he likely would have been the #3 LW) he went to Europe for guaranteed money. Can't blame Holloway too much, but can't blame the Kings for refusing to guarantee with a one-way deal on a player with 0 NHL games. Probably felt overlooked when in Dwight King, John Zeiler and extended looks at Moller and Loktionov over him, despite the fact that Holloway lead the team in points (although Moller or Loktionov would have led without the extended looks in LA).

Holloway will be in the NHL with some team very soon. If not next season, for sure the year after. He has a great shot, good offensive instincts, pretty solid twoway play, hard working player, good character. Can be a Jarrett Stoll type, with upside to a Matt Moulson type of player.

Moller will depend on whether he is willing to give it another try. He has a great shot, good wheels, elusive player, but lacked strength to battle at the NHL level, last we saw him in NA. That being said he was decently effective as a 4th line C in limited action in 10-11, works his ass off every shift, that's for sure. If he wants to come back, he will get another chance somewhere, for sure.

Holloway has burned his bridges in LA it seems, his chance will be elsewhere. Moller might come back to LA, but probably needs to move on to get a real chance in the NHL. Too bad since I really like both players.

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The SEL isn't a very good league. Doing well in the SEL often means a player might scrape by as a fourth liner in the NHL.

Remember, Shawn Horcoff ripped up the SEL during the last lockout.
By ripped up you mean less than a ppg and 13th in the league in ppg? Then coming back to score 73 points in the NHL while INCREASING HIS PPG in the NHL? Yeah ok.

He also outscored and ppg Henrik Sedin that year...I guess Sedin is a complete scrub that can't crack an NHL roster right?

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By ripped up you mean less than a ppg and 13th in the league in ppg? Then coming back to score 73 points in the NHL while INCREASING HIS PPG in the NHL? Yeah ok.

He also outscored and ppg Henrik Sedin that year...I guess Sedin is a complete scrub that can't crack an NHL roster right?
Nice try at the old bait 'n' switch on the stats. Horcoff was 4th in SEL scoring. 4th!

Shawn Horcoff, the player everybody loves to hate as the most overpaid player in the NHL - he was 4th in SEL scoring in a lockout year!

Point is, the SEL is not a great barometer of a player's talent. Great players in the SEL are often scrubs in the NHL. SEL success doesn't mean much across the pond.

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By ripped up you mean less than a ppg and 13th in the league in ppg? Then coming back to score 73 points in the NHL while INCREASING HIS PPG in the NHL? Yeah ok.

He also outscored and ppg Henrik Sedin that year...I guess Sedin is a complete scrub that can't crack an NHL roster right?
Even though it happens almost daily, its always fun seeing Ogo get owned.

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Nice try at the old bait 'n' switch on the stats. Horcoff was 4th in SEL scoring. 4th!

Shawn Horcoff, the player everybody loves to hate as the most overpaid player in the NHL - he was 4th in SEL scoring in a lockout year!

Point is, the SEL is not a great barometer of a player's talent. Great players in the SEL are often scrubs in the NHL. SEL success doesn't mean much across the pond.
He's talking about PPG: http://www.eliteprospects.com/league...ame=&order=PPG

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Bud Holloway and my old teammate Don MacLean... looking at the AHL/European stats of those former Kings' draft picks, you know something (top level dedication?) was just... missing.

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Nice try at the old bait 'n' switch on the stats. Horcoff was 4th in SEL scoring. 4th!

Shawn Horcoff, the player everybody loves to hate as the most overpaid player in the NHL - he was 4th in SEL scoring in a lockout year!

Point is, the SEL is not a great barometer of a player's talent. Great players in the SEL are often scrubs in the NHL. SEL success doesn't mean much across the pond.
Shawn Horcoff fell off the map here a little bit in the last three years, but before that he was a pretty good player.
Especially the year after the last lock-out. After that he still was a decent #2 centerman.

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SEL is a very good league, I hate it when people diminish a league that they they don't fallow. Ogopogo doesn't know what the hell is taking about.

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I'm surprised no one pointed out the OP said "acquitting himself".

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Nice try at the old bait 'n' switch on the stats. Horcoff was 4th in SEL scoring. 4th!

Shawn Horcoff, the player everybody loves to hate as the most overpaid player in the NHL - he was 4th in SEL scoring in a lockout year!

Point is, the SEL is not a great barometer of a player's talent. Great players in the SEL are often scrubs in the NHL. SEL success doesn't mean much across the pond.
Duchene scored 4 goals in 19 games in SEL this season.

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I'm surprised no one pointed out the OP said "acquitting himself".
What do you mean? What's abnormal about that?

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Nice try at the old bait 'n' switch on the stats. Horcoff was 4th in SEL scoring. 4th!

Shawn Horcoff, the player everybody loves to hate as the most overpaid player in the NHL - he was 4th in SEL scoring in a lockout year!

Point is, the SEL is not a great barometer of a player's talent. Great players in the SEL are often scrubs in the NHL. SEL success doesn't mean much across the pond.
You could say the same thing about any league in Europe, although KHL to a lesser degree. Maybe you don't remember, but Shawn Horcoff was actually a good NHL player back then. Of course a top six forward in the NHL is likely to score at a PPG pace in the SEL, since you know, the NHL is the best league in the world and all...

Sure, you'll find examples such as Andreas Karlsson who couldn't produce anything in the NHL. But you can also find examples of locked out NHL'ers that didn't really look like players from the best league in the world. Heck, Patric Hornqvist only has two goals and five points in ten games this year, in Sweden's 2nd league... See, things are not connected like you think.

No one said Holloway would be a sure thing to be a star in the NHL, but that he should get a chance, which he in all likelyhood will. He's not a scrub style of player at all either, he's good nifty hands and a cannon of a shot.

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The SEL isn't a very good league. Doing well in the SEL often means a player might scrape by as a fourth liner in the NHL.

Remember, Shawn Horcoff ripped up the SEL during the last lockout.
Shawn Horcoff might have gone downhill now but he still isn't a 4th liner and in 2004 he was a top 6 player.

Sweden's a nice place. You can get by on English if you have to in that country and it's not the most difficult language to learn for an English speaker plus similar culture. However we can't theoretically assume that Holloway would be a top 6 player in the NHL. Might have speed issues and some players who are fine when it comes to speed and size still have difficulty against tougher NHL dmen.

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im not sure but i think he rejected an offer to play for the kings

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Shawn Horcoff might have gone downhill now but he still isn't a 4th liner and in 2004 he was a top 6 player.

Sweden's a nice place. You can get by on English if you have to in that country and it's not the most difficult language to learn for an English speaker plus similar culture. However we can't theoretically assume that Holloway would be a top 6 player in the NHL. Might have speed issues and some players who are fine when it comes to speed and size still have difficulty against tougher NHL dmen.
Yeah, Sweden certainly wouldn't be the worst place to go; I just assume that a person of North American background would generally make the NHL their first choice (no linguistic barriers at all unless you're from Quebec, still considered the best league available [lockout notwithstanding], etc).

Thanks for the info on this guy, folks. I find it strange that someone wouldn't accept a QO from the Kings (live in LA and play for a good team? Heck yes), but whatever floats his boat.

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