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02-02-2013, 08:59 AM
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Last year, I think TK+Harrington could have worked.

This year? Nothing less than someone DA views as a good partner for Pietrangelo. Stewart is expendable in that scenario. I think Niskanen is an upgrade IMO. Despres if he keeps playing well. The latter being more beneficial as they can control his contract for quite some time.

I'm one of the few probably but I'd do Despres for Stewart. Even add a little to get it done. But I'm convinced Stewart is perfect for Sid and the team. Can lock him up in the summer and be done with the search for Sid's linemate.

Make a trade for a a guy like Morris or Klesla and I think we're fine.

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02-02-2013, 09:40 AM
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Steen is probably the realistic guy. But would love to see Perron or Stewart here.
Steen is actually the most untouchable now. Hitchcock LOVES him, plays him at center and on the power play point. There's no way Steen is going anywhere as long as Hitchcock is coaching.

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02-02-2013, 10:44 AM
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Maatta or Dumoulin. Although I'm high on Dumoulin and want to see what he can become while a member of the Pens.
Ooops, I totally forgot Maatta, Too many d prospectssssss

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02-02-2013, 12:05 PM
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Here's something that I've been tossing around in my mind the last couple days:

Toronto:
Fleury
Tangradi

Pittsburgh:
Kulemin
Biggs
Scrivens or Reimer

The hockey trade portion of the deal is Fleury for Kulemin and Biggs. Tangradi and the goalies are just there to fill the newly created roster holes. Toronto gets a youngish legitimate NHL starter and a guy that can slot into a 3rd or 4th line role. Pittsburgh gets a good fit for the Malkin line and adds some much needed depth to the forward prospect pool.

Thoughts?

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02-02-2013, 12:08 PM
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Here's something that I've been tossing around in my mind the last couple days:

Toronto:
Fleury
Tangradi

Pittsburgh:
Kulemin
Biggs
Scrivens or Reimer

The hockey trade portion of the deal is Fleury for Kulemin and Biggs. Tangradi and the goalies are just there to fill the newly created roster holes. Toronto gets a youngish legitimate NHL starter and a guy that can slot into a 3rd or 4th line role. Pittsburgh gets a good fit for the Malkin line and adds some much needed depth to the forward prospect pool.

Thoughts?
now we need to find a new franchise goalie

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02-02-2013, 12:30 PM
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now we need to find a new franchise goalie
Why, do we have one now?

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02-02-2013, 12:37 PM
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Why, do we have one now?
He's on the down slope of his career, but Tomas Vokoun still probably has a 2 or 3 good years left.

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02-02-2013, 01:28 PM
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Why, do we have one now?
No, but we have a 28 yr old who can still be a decent netminder.

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He's on the down slope of his career, but Tomas Vokoun still probably has a 2 or 3 good years left.
Am torn on this. Yes Vokun could probably be a quality option for 2-3 years... But then do you want to have to worry about netminding? Or do you hang on to what you have? I could see MAF getting moved later on if he sucks this year and potentially next... but not until then.

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02-02-2013, 01:52 PM
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Am torn on this. Yes Vokun could probably be a quality option for 2-3 years... But then do you want to have to worry about netminding? Or do you hang on to what you have? I could see MAF getting moved later on if he sucks this year and potentially next... but not until then.
I think 3 years is long enough to find another guy. Backstrom, Thomas, and Smith are free agents this year. Kiprusoff, Hiller, Elliott, and Halak the year after.

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02-02-2013, 01:57 PM
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I think 3 years is long enough to find another guy. Backstrom, Thomas, and Smith are free agents this year. Kiprusoff, Hiller, Elliott, and Halak the year after.
Is it? Ask Toronto. Is Elliott a #1? Thomas is done. So there's Backstrom, Smith, Kipper, Hiller and Halak. Yet 3 of those teams need those guys. Chances are maybe 1-2 of them make it to free agency.

Edit, it's not impossible, and I wouldn't be heartbroken if MAF was moved and Vokun given the starting job.

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02-02-2013, 02:45 PM
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MAF isnt the problem. Had a solid game today. I liked what I saw from Boychuk as well. Hopefully hes given a proper chance in the top 6.

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02-02-2013, 03:01 PM
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MAF isnt the problem. Had a solid game today. I liked what I saw from Boychuk as well. Hopefully hes given a proper chance in the top 6.
I don't think Fleury's the problem either. What I'm debating is whether the Penguins need him. That wasn't a question when the other option was Brent Johnson or Mathieu Garon. The only reason Vokoun wasn't offered a dump truck full of money as a UFA is his age; he's no worse than Fleury's equal as a player.


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02-02-2013, 03:10 PM
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we have a guy that can be the answer for 10 years or so. don't trade him because we have a guy who can probably do it for 2 or 3. We don't want to be looking for goalies.

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Am torn on this. Yes Vokun could probably be a quality option for 2-3 years... But then do you want to have to worry about netminding? Or do you hang on to what you have? I could see MAF getting moved later on if he sucks this year and potentially next... but not until then.
Yes, let's just trade Fleury. When Vokoun takes on a heavier workload and pulls his groin again, then we'll really be set for a cup run with Zatkoff leading the team...

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02-02-2013, 05:06 PM
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Trading Fleury is a horrendous idea. I've seen multiple teams battle with goaltending for decades. Trust me...you don't want to be a fan that has to watch a revolving door of goaltenders. ****, we watched it here for some time. It's not fun.

If you're getting rid of him, you don't do it for a stop gap. That's sort of why I have been a proponent of drafting one with some pedigree. Then you'd have a succession plan.

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02-02-2013, 05:48 PM
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Trading Fleury is a horrendous idea. I've seen multiple teams battle with goaltending for decades. Trust me...you don't want to be a fan that has to watch a revolving door of goaltenders. ****, we watched it here for some time. It's not fun.

If you're getting rid of him, you don't do it for a stop gap. That's sort of why I have been a proponent of drafting one with some pedigree. Then you'd have a succession plan.
We desperately need to start thinking about a succession plan too. By the time we get one drafted and developed, Fleury will be in his mid 30's.

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We desperately need to start thinking about a succession plan too. By the time we get one drafted and developed, Fleury will be in his mid 30's.
I've been wanting to draft a goalie with some pedigree for years. You'll undoubtedly have those people point to those goalies who have been undrafted guys or who were drafted late and say we don't need to.

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I've been wanting to draft a goalie with some pedigree for years. You'll undoubtedly have those people point to those goalies who have been undrafted guys or who were drafted late and say we don't need to.
Yeah I know, but how many of those same types of goalies are out there that never make it?

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02-02-2013, 05:56 PM
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Didn't we just draft two goalies?

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Yeah I know, but how many of those same types of goalies are out there that never make it?
I think goaltending is really just a stroke of luck. At least drafting one highly, you have a guy who has been a standout on every level. Then again, Jack Campbell was one of my favorite prospects in his draft year.

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Didn't we just draft two goalies?
We did, but who knows if they are ever going to develop into anything. I wouldn't mind getting a higher pedigree one in the pipeline.

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We did, but who knows if they are ever going to develop into anything. I wouldn't mind getting a higher pedigree one in the pipeline.
Me neither. And really groom him to be an heir apparent. If there were a goaltender on the board and he was the BPA in the top 3 rounds, I'd take him.

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IMO we should trade for a high pedigree goalie that his further in his development so a projection can actually be made. But those kind of goalies are important to their respect teams unless they are further down the depth chart kind of like ben bishop was.

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a few more losses by the Kings and i might have to add Simon Gagné to the big board as a potential third wheel for Malkin and Neal.

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MAF isnt the problem. Had a solid game today.
This team will win a majority of it games in the regular season where our goal tender has no business losing considering scoring chances for and against. Very few teams can say this.
What matters for this Penguins team is having a goalie who does not lose us games in the playoffs by himself and for him to occasionally steal a game we have no business winning.

I want Fleury to be that guy as much as the next guy, but the has had more playoff series where he was disgusting than he has had being great/good/better than average combined. Irrespective of the D in front of him having contributed negatively, in two of the past three seasons, he has been unacceptably bad.

Until he stands tall in the playoffs for us, I am afraid there is nothing he can do in the regular season that will dispel the doubts of many of us. Less so if he is Jekyll/Hide like in the regular season, often mixing great and mediocre/bad games. Don't know if that is fair, but it is reality.

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