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01-22-2013, 03:55 PM
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Just a question for you all. If the isles were willing would you do a Nino - Despres swap?

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01-22-2013, 03:57 PM
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Just a question for you all. If the isles were willing would you do a Nino - Despres swap?
Would prefer a Despres-Silverberg trade

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01-22-2013, 03:59 PM
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And I'd prefer a Despres-Tarasenko swap, but that just ain't gonna happen.

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01-22-2013, 04:01 PM
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Tarasenko with crosby would be SICK!

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01-22-2013, 04:02 PM
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And I'd prefer a Despres-Tarasenko swap, but that just ain't gonna happen.
You sure?

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01-22-2013, 05:48 PM
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Tarasenko with crosby would be SICK!
What sucks is that We picked Bennett over Tarasenko...I think. If I am wrong that would make me feel better.

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01-22-2013, 05:50 PM
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tarasenko was picked 16th, bennett was 20th

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01-22-2013, 05:54 PM
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Nino would be a great fit for Crosby, unfortunately the Ilses would never trade within division.

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01-22-2013, 05:59 PM
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It's not just based on two games this season. It's based on evidence from the past, particularly in playoff series where Sid was keyed on strongly by the opposition.

Remember the Detroit series when we won the Cup? Sid was almost a non-factor offensively, because Zetterberg and Lidstrom basically keyed on him and challenged Guerin and Kunitz to burn them. They were incapable of doing anything, so that line was shut down.

The Montreal series a couple of years ago also saw them key on Crosby, leaving his wingers to do the damage. How'd that go for that line?

Heck, Sid "only" had 8 points in one of the highest scoring playoff series in the last 20 years against Philly, producing hardly anything the final 2 or 3 games of that series when Philly began keying on him and leaving it up to his linemates to burn them.

Sid basically has to be in beast mode for his line to produce. When he's not, or when a talented team like Detroit keys on him, his line doesn't produce. So why is it so hard to understand that bringing in a more talented winger who can actually create on his own is necessary evil to ensure that we've got two really, really dangerous lines, even when Sid or Geno aren't at their best?
It's a little more complicated than that when it comes to the matchups. Tradition has been that teams key on Detroit. The notable exception was Washington, which always saw how Malkin was faring as a bigger key to the Pen fortunes.

Side Note: In 2009, Detroit had no choice but to 'key' on Sid. They had nobody to matchup against Malkin, who physically was too much for Zetterberg and Lidstrom (as evidenced any time they got stuck on the ice against him in Pittsburgh). The only guy Detroit had to deal with Malkin was Datsyuk, and he was playing on a broken foot.

More recently, teams like Philly and New York have been keying on Malkin, and Sid hasn't been able to take advantage of it with lesser wingers. Part of that, I'm sure is return from injury and now getting his timing back, but I think there's been a change in how teams defend the Pens.

THAT SAID, I wholeheartedly endorse the idea that BOTH Sid and Geno should go into the playoffs with two good wingers each (I can live with Geno and Neal having less than ideal help on the LW, but a RW for Sid is an absolute must).

The reason is simple: If Sid and Geno have two good wingers each, no team has the depth to defend that.

People keep saying 'well, Sid doesn't need more' or 'it doesn't matter who plays with Geno and Neal', and they cite 2009 as an example.

Well, to them I ask this: Name ONE good defensive team that the Pens have beaten in the playoffs since the loss in the 2008 SCF. Detroit? O'k, sort of, but I covered that . . . they couldn't matchup with Malkin. And, in 2009, when they won the cup, what if they actually had faced the two top defensive teams in the east, Boston or New Jersey? Both were awful playoff matchups.

Not saying it would've mattered, but I think people are spoiled by the 2009 cup run draw that included no real top end defensive teams (given Datsyuk being injured) and ignore, when accounting for injuries, how the 2008 team was so much better positioned for a cup run because Sid and Geno had the right kind of help.

In 2008, Geno had two good wingers. Sid had Hossa and Dupuis, which equaled two good wingers. They smoked everyone, including a defensively suffocating Rangers team on the way to the finals. And, maybe if Malkin isn't hurt going into the finals, maybe they beat or take to 7 games a fully healthy Detroit team.

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01-22-2013, 06:17 PM
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If your Edmonton, why would you sell low on Paajarvi right now? He's only 20, it would make far more sense just to hang on to him and see how he progresses rather than to give up on him and dump him off for low return.
I don't mean that they will. I mean that if they did trade him now they wouldn't have enough leverage to ask for more than that IMO.

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01-22-2013, 06:19 PM
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Kirk, serious question...were you a Malkin fan before coming a pens fan?

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01-22-2013, 06:23 PM
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Is the answer Jesus?

Wait a minute... that's not right.

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01-22-2013, 06:30 PM
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tarasenko was picked 16th, bennett was 20th
Yep...and if I'm not mistaken there were murmurs that the Penguins were trying to move up...but we didn't have a David Rundblad in the system to offer up.

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01-22-2013, 06:32 PM
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Kirk, serious question...were you a Malkin fan before coming a pens fan?
No, I've been a Pens fan since a few years before they drafted Mario.

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01-22-2013, 06:33 PM
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Is the answer Jesus?

Wait a minute... that's not right.
Not sure if Jesus has the hands to play on Sid's wing.

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01-22-2013, 06:34 PM
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Not sure if Jesus has the hands to play on Sid's wing.
Dupuis does though

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01-22-2013, 06:39 PM
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I don't care who it is but it needs to be someone just going off these two games. That line is dead when the puck isn't on Sid's stick.

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01-22-2013, 07:01 PM
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Two days off after the back to back on the road to start season. We are going to see even better play against the leafs IMO . Crosbys line will get it going. Got the first two out of the way, got some rest ...line will be back to normal

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01-22-2013, 07:31 PM
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Zack Kassian...?

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01-22-2013, 08:02 PM
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Clowe would be ideal.

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01-22-2013, 08:21 PM
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Clowe would be ideal.
Clowe has apparently started talks with SJ in hopes of re-signing (per LeBrun, I believe)

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01-22-2013, 08:30 PM
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Just a question for you all. If the isles were willing would you do a Nino - Despres swap?
Nope. I really, really like what I've seen from Despres.

A defenseman who's 6'4" who can skate and pass like that? Pretty damn rare. For a team that's so geared towards transition, he's especially valuable.

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01-22-2013, 08:44 PM
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Add Nino Niederreiter for kicks .
...and no, that is hardly a here and now solution, but one of those situations you'd like Shero to kick a tire or two on.

Ups.... just saw Vega's post. And no... at this point where Nino has done nothing but suck in the NHL, and now is requesting a trade.... you gotta low-ball. Despres isn't that. One of the recently drafted blueliners as the main piece... sure.

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01-22-2013, 09:05 PM
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Ryder with two tonight...

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01-22-2013, 09:15 PM
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Ryder with two tonight...
Detroit starts the season 1-2 with 0 ROW...only a matter of time till I add Datsyuk to the chart.

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