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Top 25 Finnish Players Of All-Time - #1

View Poll Results: #1 Finn
Teemu Selanne 47 74.60%
Jari Kurri 16 25.40%
Miikka Kiprusoff 0 0%
Pekka Rinne 0 0%
Jere Lehtinen 0 0%
Saku Koivu 0 0%
Mikko Koivu 0 0%
Teppo Numminen 0 0%
Kari Lehtonen 0 0%
Olli Jokinen 0 0%
Esa Tikkanen 0 0%
Jyrki Lumme 0 0%
Kimmo Timonen 0 0%
Petri Skriko 0 0%
Reijo Ruotsalainen 0 0%
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01-22-2013, 09:41 PM
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Top 25 Finnish Players Of All-Time - #1

I invite you Finnish posters to heckle me for my poor selections - I admit freely I know very little about pre-NHL Finnish hockey. I'll add most of your suggestions from this thread to the second one, and just go with NHL Finns for this poll. We all know who the first two are going to be anyways, right?

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where is the poll?

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where is the poll?
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1-2 should be pretty much a landslide, things will get interesting at 3

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Teeemmmmuuuu Salamiii!!!

I guess the choices are pretty good. I would add Matti Hagman next.

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Even after 2007 when Teemu won his first (and so far only) Cup, I was putting Kurri above him. But since then, Selänne's ability to stay on such a high level brings him on top. I don't think there's need to poll on #2.

Add Hagman and Helminen - neither had a great NHL career but their resumes in Finland and national team tell a lot.

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01-23-2013, 07:14 AM
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Yeah for #1 and #2 this set of characters is ok. After that..
Why on earth is Pekka Rinne & Kari Lehtonen, even Kiprusoff up there and Jarmo Myllys not?
And where's Ville Peltonen?

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As mentioned Raimo Helminen got to be in there.

I would think Pekka Rautakallio, Risto Siltanen and Petteri Nummelin would start getting votes around 7-12 and all three should crack the top 25.

Have a hard time thinking any finn would place them belove Lehtonen, Rinne and maybe Jokinen - even if Jokinen career is a little to underrated.

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Jarmo Myllys is absent. He definitly not the best but he was very important to finnish hockey and the inspiration to many of the goalies. Was a wall in WC '95.

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I guess the choices are pretty good. I would add Matti Hagman next.
Matti Hagman should definitely be in the poll. Best Finnish center.

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Jari Kurri so much above others...

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Even after 2007 when Teemu won his first (and so far only) Cup, I was putting Kurri above him. But since then, Selänne's ability to stay on such a high level brings him on top. I don't think there's need to poll on #2.

Add Hagman and Helminen - neither had a great NHL career but their resumes in Finland and national team tell a lot.
I dont hink Kurri's offense without Gretzky was really close to Selänne's. Jari was good defensively though.

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Matti Hagman is top 10 caliber no doubt.

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Yeah for #1 and #2 this set of characters is ok. After that..
Why on earth is Pekka Rinne & Kari Lehtonen, even Kiprusoff up there and Jarmo Myllys not?
And where's Ville Peltonen?
"Why on Earth" are you so offended when the OP openly said that he was only putting on NHL players because he knew them and that he'd immediately add the Finnish players people ask for next time? It's not like those guys have a shot at the #1 and 2 spots.

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I dont hink Kurri's offense without Gretzky was really close to Selänne's. Jari was good defensively though.
Kurri's last seasons with Gretzky:

131 points
108 points
96 points

Kurri without Gretkzy:

102 points
93 points

Kurri wasn't a Brett Hull type who floated around waiting for a pass. When Gretzky (and Coffey) cheated offensively, Kurri played as a quasi-defenseman and covered for them.

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Kurri's last seasons with Gretzky:

131 points
108 points
96 points

Kurri without Gretkzy:

102 points
93 points

Kurri wasn't a Brett Hull type who floated around waiting for a pass. When Gretzky (and Coffey) cheated offensively, Kurri played as a quasi-defenseman and covered for them.
While I agree that Kurri was a good offensive player without Gretzky.. why does everyone always trot this out as proof while glossing over the fact that Gretzky missed 16 games their final season together, and Kurri's goalscoring was declining and continued to?

Not to mention he still had some fine players to play with even without Gretzky.

Sure, Kurri was a 100 point guy without Gretzky. He was a 130 point guy with him. Their chemistry was unreal.

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While I agree that Kurri was a good offensive player without Gretzky.. why does everyone always trot this out as proof while glossing over the fact that Gretzky missed 16 games their final season together, and Kurri's goalscoring was declining and continued to?

Not to mention he still had some fine players to play with even without Gretzky.

Sure, Kurri was a 100 point guy without Gretzky. He was a 130 point guy with him. Their chemistry was unreal.
Notice I included more than just his last season with Gretzky...

I think it's obvious from the numbers that he declined a bit 2 years before Gretzky left Edmonton.


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Assuming this is the best career poll, so the #1 is obvious.

If it's prime only, then Kurri might be a better choice than Selanne.

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Kurri's last seasons with Gretzky:

131 points
108 points
96 points

Kurri without Gretkzy:

102 points
93 points

Kurri wasn't a Brett Hull type who floated around waiting for a pass. When Gretzky (and Coffey) cheated offensively, Kurri played as a quasi-defenseman and covered for them.
I'm aware that adjusted points seem to put guys in the eighties at a disadvantage, but still those adjusted stats and the Gretzky factor is just to clear to ignore. Selanne was better offensively.

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Kurri, for me. His excellent two way game was why for me.

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I'm aware that adjusted points seem to put guys in the eighties at a disadvantage, but still those adjusted stats and the Gretzky factor is just to clear to ignore. Selanne was better offensively.
Selanne was absolutely better offensively than Kurri and I don't think it's that close. Kurri was better defensively by leaps and bounds though. Kurri was a legit Selke contender some seasons back when scoring didn't figure into the Selke race. Selanne, in his old age, is competent defensively, but in his prime, he was well below average.

I think it's awfully close between Selanne and Kurri as overall players, to be honest.

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so it's official. public perception has swayed in favour of Selanne. 4 years ago this was not the case. Kurri was a top-70 player according to this board, and Selanne was not top-100.

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so it's official. public perception has swayed in favour of Selanne. 4 years ago this was not the case. Kurri was a top-70 player according to this board, and Selanne was not top-100.
A lot has happened in 4 years.

Selanne has risen from the 50th spot to 18th in all-time career points. He has also taken over some pretty damn respectful names along the way. Example:
Jari Kurri
Brett Hull
Guy Lafleur
etc.
Selanne has risen from the 26th spot to 12th in all-time career goals.

This all has happened after Selanne winning the cup. So he has definitely improved his resume a great deal in the twilight of his career. He still has chance to take over Luc Robitaille in the all time goals list. Lemieux is too far, since he would need 26 goals more.

One more year, eh.

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A lot has happened in 4 years.

Selanne has risen from the 50th spot to 18th in all-time career points. He has also taken over some pretty damn respectful names along the way. Example:
Jari Kurri
Brett Hull
Guy Lafleur
etc.
Selanne has risen from the 26th spot to 12th in all-time career goals.

This all has happened after Selanne winning the cup. So he has definitely improved his resume a great deal in the twilight of his career. He still has chance to take over Luc Robitaille in the all time goals list. Lemieux is too far, since he would need 26 goals more.

One more year, eh.
but none of these years were even close to Selanne's best. None of them were any of his top-10 seasons, even. They are really the icing on the cake, not the cake itself.

Look, it's possible he should have been ahead of Kurri 4 years ago, and if so, he obviously should still be. But if he should have been behind then, then he should still be behind. What he's been doing isn't "compiling" in the usual sense, but as far as all-time greats go, you could call it that. building career totals without actually rising to new heights as a player.

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