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01-22-2013, 08:04 AM
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Chicago/Los Angeles/Pittsburgh

To Chicago: Bernier and Engelland

To Los Angeles: Hjalmarsson and Beach

To Pittsburgh: Chicago's 2013 4th-round pick and Los Angeles' 2013 7th-round pick

I want to clarify that I am a big Hjalmarsson fan. I just want to see if this deal would potentially work with the other fan bases. I, for one, would hesitate to make the deal due to Hammer being included. Wanted to gauge fan interest.

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01-22-2013, 08:10 AM
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Pitt says no.

Engo brings a physical presence that we would miss and is on a nice contract.

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01-22-2013, 08:12 AM
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Pitt says no.

Engo brings a physical presence that we would miss and is on a nice contract.
Chicago also lacks some physicality on the back end outside of Seabrook and occasionally Hjalmarsson. I know that Pittsburgh is looking to trade a defenseman since they have 8 guys signed to NHL contracts and all have to pass through waivers to go to the AHL.

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If Chicago can't get a defenseman out of Pittsburgh, there's no way you can deal for Bernier. It's not like LA can afford to cough up a d-man now with Greene out for at least a few months.

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01-22-2013, 08:13 AM
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Chicago also lacks some physicality on the back end outside of Seabrook and occasionally Hjalmarsson. I know that Pittsburgh is looking to trade a defenseman since they have 8 guys signed to NHL contracts and all have to pass through waivers to go to the AHL.
Pitt does not care that Chicago needs toughness; this trade does nothing to help the Pens.

We are looking to move some D, but the move has to help.

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01-22-2013, 08:15 AM
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Pitt does not care that Chicago needs toughness; this trade does nothing to help the Pens.

We are looking to move some D, but the move has to help.
I was just clarifying why I picked Engelland.

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01-22-2013, 08:38 AM
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Engelland's worth way more than a 4th and 7th, he's locked up for next year at basically the league minimum.

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01-22-2013, 08:43 AM
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doesn't make sense at all for Pittsburgh

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01-22-2013, 08:43 AM
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To Chicago: Bernier and Engelland

To Los Angeles: Hjalmarsson and Beach

To Pittsburgh: Chicago's 2013 4th-round pick and Los Angeles' 2013 7th-round pick

I want to clarify that I am a big Hjalmarsson fan. I just want to see if this deal would potentially work with the other fan bases. I, for one, would hesitate to make the deal due to Hammer being included. Wanted to gauge fan interest.
Don't think the risk is worth it for an unproven goaltender.
Hammer is playing like the player we thought he originally was and I really want to give Beach a chance with the big club. He at least has to be given some games.

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01-22-2013, 09:16 AM
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With Strait gone and picked up by the NYI, Engelland will be playing all year. If they want a D from us, Lovejoy is the one available

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Engelland isn't going anywhere.

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01-22-2013, 09:20 AM
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Engelland is worth more to the Pens than a 4th and 7th round picks.

The Pens do have 8 D but I've heard a number of people that cover the team speculate that if Despres progresses and establishes himself as an NHL player that the Pens will look to trade or waive Lovejoy.

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01-22-2013, 10:05 AM
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Engo is worth more than a 4th and a 7th to us.

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01-22-2013, 10:40 AM
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Chicago also lacks some physicality on the back end outside of Seabrook and occasionally Hjalmarsson. I know that Pittsburgh is looking to trade a defenseman since they have 8 guys signed to NHL contracts and all have to pass through waivers to go to the AHL.
Maybe just go with the assumption that the six that usually actually play are not the one available for just low picks.

Also doesn`t CHI also have quite the number of D signed? Would the really need one back in this trade? While I don`t really see what this dies for the Kings either, it still seems a better trade with the Pens left out.

P.S.: Read about Greene now, so I guess that answer my doubts about the Kings going for it. In conclusion, I think you got something there, if you just leave PIT out.


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01-22-2013, 11:50 AM
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I fail to see how that deal for Pittsburgh helps them achieve its goal this year. Trading a top six defenseman for two low picks. We don't have one ready to step in and give what Engelland brings. Pass

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01-22-2013, 11:54 AM
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Maybe just go with the assumption that the six that usually actually play are not the one available for just low picks.

Also doesn`t CHI also have quite the number of D signed? Would the really need one back in this trade? While I don`t really see what this dies for the Kings either, it still seems a better trade with the Pens left out.

P.S.: Read about Greene now, so I guess that answer my doubts about the Kings going for it. In conclusion, I think you got something there, if you just leave PIT out.
It would be to replace Hjalmarsson.

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Why is Chicago giving away Hjalmarsson like candy? I thought the guy was a viable top-4 defenseman? (considering that Engelland is coming the other way...he's not a good replacement) Even then that's crazy defensive depth by LA...

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01-22-2013, 12:03 PM
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Beach is a head case LA could do without.

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01-22-2013, 12:04 PM
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I would rather trade Leddy than Hammer. Hammer is the better player and would bring back less IMO. But not for Bernier...

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Why is Pittsburgh losing a regular defenseman (one of our only ones who are physical, to boot), and only getting draft picks (and not good ones) in return?

Pens are a "win now" team. They're not dumping players who are currently regulars for mid to late round draft picks.

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01-22-2013, 12:35 PM
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I'm happy enough with Hjalmarsson's play over the last two games that I'm currently unwilling to trade him.

I thought he would grow into an excellent 2nd pairing defenseman when we decided to keep him over Niemi. After two years of stagnating, he's finally starting to show that promise again.

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Why is Pittsburgh losing a regular defenseman (one of our only ones who are physical, to boot), and only getting draft picks (and not good ones) in return?

Pens are a "win now" team. They're not dumping players who are currently regulars for mid to late round draft picks.
Exactly what I was saying. Many of these ideas drawn up on this board, and I have been lurking for a while, are truly far fetched and make no sense to at least one team.

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Pittsburgh says no. Engelland is a big physical presence for us and getting just picks in return isn't going to cut it. Especially when those picks are terrible 4th's and 7ths.

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It would be to replace Hjalmarsson.
I got that, just saying that because PIT has 8 Dmen signed does not mean they are in any better position to replace the loss of a regular one than CHI, who incl. Hjalmarsson has just as many signed. Just play Brookbank, Leddy or whoever.

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Engelland's a perfect 3rd pairing guy on a sweetheart contract. Why would we trade him at all, let alone for a couple of crappy draft picks?

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