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01-23-2013, 08:48 PM
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Philly- I know the flyers get a lot of attention now in philly, but would you say they are now more popular than the Sixers?
Are now? They have been for as long as I've been alive.

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01-23-2013, 09:10 PM
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My cousin just took this, crowd at the start of the Bulls game tonight.


So yeah, you can draw conclusions however you want, but in the end, the Bulls are more popular than the Hawks despite no one who attends their games caring enough to show up near on time.
Well they are playing the Pistons, so there isn't as much of an incentive to show up on time. But I agree that this happens a lot less at Hawks games.

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01-23-2013, 11:02 PM
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Well they are playing the Pistons, so there isn't as much of an incentive to show up on time. But I agree that this happens a lot less at Hawks games.
Sports fans show up on time. Why go to a game if you don't want to watch from beginning to end? Even for the people who are there, look how much red is in the crowd. Maybe 1 in 10 people.

Bulls fans don't go to Bulls games. It's that simple. The crowds are all corporate, and the place is a library until the end, unless they're tossing t-shirts.

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Are now? They have been for as long as I've been alive.
are you in the city or the burbs?

i think its a hard one to answer. the game of basketball is flat out more popuar than the game of hockey due largly to big four basketball in the city. (ncaa hockey are you paying attention) and lack of playing space.

directly flyers vs sixers though is another story. the flyers have consistently outsold tickets at higher prices and outrated viewers even when bumped down to different networks. its a better product

if you held a poll where people chose thier number 1 team in the city the eagles would take it but i think the flyers would get the second best amount of #1 votes. while eagles fans would probably put the flyers 3 or 4 (behind the phils). wher i think most basketball fans would have thier number 1 team be st joes or nova etc

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02-07-2013, 06:24 AM
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I do not live in Boston, but have been there several times. I can say it is VERY bandwagon when it comes to the Celtics and Bruins from what I can see.

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02-07-2013, 06:28 AM
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are you in the city or the burbs?

i think its a hard one to answer. the game of basketball is flat out more popuar than the game of hockey due largly to big four basketball in the city. (ncaa hockey are you paying attention) and lack of playing space.

directly flyers vs sixers though is another story. the flyers have consistently outsold tickets at higher prices and outrated viewers even when bumped down to different networks. its a better product

if you held a poll where people chose thier number 1 team in the city the eagles would take it but i think the flyers would get the second best amount of #1 votes. while eagles fans would probably put the flyers 3 or 4 (behind the phils). wher i think most basketball fans would have thier number 1 team be st joes or nova etc
I don't think the Flyers would beat the Phils right now. 10 years ago, definitely. If the Phils have a few more seasons like last year, yes. I used to go to Philly and Atlantic City a lot from 97-2010ish. Up until 2008, it was all Eagles and Flyers stuff everywhere. Then, Phils win the Series and everyone had brand-new Phils gear.

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Speaking of Flyers and 76ers...

http://nesn.com/2013/02/76ers-fan-bu...-cents-apiece/

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I've never understood the Cubs popularity. Yeah I know the game experience is second to none, but that franchise is like baseball's version of the Leafs...without the 1960's.
or the 1940's and the 1930's

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I do not live in Boston, but have been there several times. I can say it is VERY bandwagon when it comes to the Celtics and Bruins from what I can see.
I live 20 miles outside of Boston, and travel there daily for work. The Celtics and Bruins BOTH have their SERIOUS die-hard fans who are with them through thick and thin. And of course, as in ANY other city, when they play exceptionally well, the bandwaggoners come out of the woodwork.

If you look at the DIE-HARDS... the Bruins have more of them than the Celtics. Always been that way.

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02-07-2013, 03:06 PM
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Yeah, Cubs probably control the most territory (Iowa [thanks to the AAA Iowa Cubs], about half of Illinois [downstate is Cardinals territory], part of Indiana) though in terms of value, the Bears seem to have more and more intense fan support in Chicago and around Illinois. Cubs also have a fair number of fans scattered across the country due to an expansive radio network & WGN America.

The Bears are treated as the #1 team in Chicago when they're playing, regardless of how good/bad they are. Not sure about who Iowa roots for. Downstate IL is split between the Colts & Rams. An often overlooked fact is there is a contingent of Green Bay Packers fans in the Chicago area. Not sure how many of all football fans (5%? 10%?) but it's enough to baffle Bears fans that some choose to root for the arch-rival and enough to be a visible presence.

The Bulls seem to be #3. I think they may have been #1 during their 6 championship-winning seasons in the 1990s. They seem to have indisputed control of Illinois and word is from some in Wisconsin that people there see more Bulls apparel than Bucks apparel. The Bucks do seem to lack much pull.

The White Sox are much smaller than the Cubs because of geography & demographics. The White Sox made several bad media decisions over the decades (UHF at a time when UHF wasn't big, pay-per-view, putting more games on RSNs while Cubs were still very present on local tv & WGN America nationwide). As the suburbs grew, they grew in the north & west more than the south and Cubs were easier to pick up on the tv and Cubs loyalties were carried from the North Side. The south & southwest suburbs only really started growing in the '90s. It doesn't seem like their 2005 World Series victory expanded their fanbase much. Past the Chicago area, White Sox wanes off pretty quickly. Not sure why. Maybe the White Sox radio network back decades ago sucked? It kind of seemed like fan support was entrenched, kind of like with hockey. As the White Sox were successful in the '00s, the Cubs 3 runs (all of which fell short. 2003 infamously with the Bartman ball incident in the NLCS, 2007 & 2008 being first-round sweeps despite 2008 having a hysteria due to the 2008 Cubs being the strongest since 1945, the last time they were in the World Series, and it being the 100th anniversary of the last time they won a World Series), which seems to have let the steam out of any effort to win over casual/new fans. It's kind of sad. They have a recent World Series trophy, 2 perfect games, a few pending HOFers (Frank Thomas) and they weren't able to expand their support much. The Cubs lack any of those (well, no HOF players recently besides the posthumuously inducted Ron Santo). White Sox support isn't weak in their core territory; the issue is their core territory isn't very big (something like 3 counties?).

The Blackhawks were virtually invisible til sometime around 2008. Their previous owner was an absolute moron. Not televising home games in the age of television was a support killer. Because 19,000 in an arena > hundreds of thousands of viewers outside an arena . Even the son admitted his father was a stubborn fool. Getting back on tv + the Stanley Cup run won them many fans. From being a very distant 5th they are now probably in 4th place. White Sox games might get higher ratings and they have more attendance due to more games/more seating capacity. Blackhawks seem to control much of their section of the Midwest (Wisconsin, except for IL transplants, root for the Wild or Redwings from what I've read) though I'm not sure how popular the Blackhawks or the Blues are downstate.

The Blackhawks will never, ever trump the Bears or Cubs. The Bulls... maybe if the Blackhawks continue to field a strong team with recognisable stars (e.g. Toews, Kane) and the Bulls crumble, the Blackhawks can become #3, but due to the nature of the sports (basketball very cheap, very easy to play anywhere, hockey being the opposite, though street hockey is a passable substitute) and demographics (large African-American, hispanic populations and hockey having near-zero appeal to them), the Blackhawks might have a tough time taking the Bulls' spot though. The Bulls also have a little lingering afterglow from the two Three-Peats. A second Stanley Cup might build some momentum though...


Oh, and the Tribune probably shuffles the order depending on the season. Since this is winter, thus the winter sports being pushed to the front and the 2 spring/summer teams being pushed to the back. I've seen sports sites do that. In fact, look around and you might see tennis start appearing (Australian Open). Then, in a few weeks, it will disappear off the bar.
what about the Chicago Fire?

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02-07-2013, 03:18 PM
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what about the Chicago Fire?
Ha hardly anyone cares about the Fire. Some soccer fan may come in here and say differently, but it's the truth. There are a lot of people that like soccer, but I don't think I've ever met a Fire fan. They're more comparable to the Wolves

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Ha hardly anyone cares about the Fire. Some soccer fan may come in here and say differently, but it's the truth. There are a lot of people that like soccer, but I don't think I've ever met a Fire fan. They're more comparable to the Wolves
I'd honestly venture a guess that the Fire are less popular than the Wolves, believe it or not.

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what about the Chicago Fire?
GREAT SHOW! I never miss it!

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Bulls with Rose are bigger than the Hawks. Hawks are growing at an insane rate, but basketball itself is just so much bigger than hockey in Chicago.

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what about the Chicago Fire?
Mrs. O'Leary's Cow

You know what they say of cows...
Black on white, calm & pleasant night
Black on brown, burn down the town

The tv show? Meh.

Oh, you mean the soccer team. They barely get heard of. News barely ever covers them in sports segments. I'd have to agree, the Wolves might be more popular than the Fire. I'm not sure how many people in the Chicago area are aware they have a major league soccer team.

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Bruins did a 7, Celtics did a 3 last night,

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Bruins did a 7, Celtics did a 3 last night,
Do you think it was because of competition?

Bruins/Habs gets pretty get press up here in Canada, TSN aired game nationally.

C's played in Toronto, and as a resident of Toronto, who wants to watch the raptors?

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It will be interesting to see how the ratings for the Bruins-Canadiens and the Celtics-Lakers games the last 2 nights compare. The biggest rivalry in each sport (we're VERY lucky to live in Boston!) on national cable TV.

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