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01-23-2013, 05:07 PM
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As most others have mentioned, the value is probably pretty close, both teams decline. They both REALLY like their current players, and realistically, the other team's guy isn't a substantial enough immediate upgrade over what they have at the position for the swap to make sense.

This is the type of deal that happens when both players fall out of favour / disappoint their teams / need a change of scenery.... just like the Schenn/JvR swap. That isn't the case for either of these guys.

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01-23-2013, 05:07 PM
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Gotta say, the value in this deal is actually very good. Well done OP.


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Couturier/Gardiner proposals are the new JVR/Schenn
Good thing that trade never....


wait

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01-23-2013, 05:09 PM
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Leafs decline.

No thank you.

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01-23-2013, 05:10 PM
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the value is a good starter ...the issue with philly is hey need a #1/2 dman...not a rookie.

Kessel +phaneuf + ??? For couturier + laughton + ???
wtf.

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01-23-2013, 05:12 PM
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As for the OEL/Gardiner comparisons, Gardiner has higher offensive potential while OEL is better all around.

I'd take OEL, but that's not saying much since I'd take OEL over A LOT of Dmen

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01-23-2013, 05:13 PM
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The value is a good starter ...the issue with Philly is hey need a #1/2 Dman...not a rookie.

Kessel +Phaneuf + ??? for Couturier + Laughton + ???
This is god awful.

The only thing on Philly that can get Kessel AND Phaneuf is Giroux.

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01-23-2013, 05:13 PM
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It makes sense for both teams, but I don't see it happening. Both team's fans would rather stick with the homegrown guy imo.

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01-23-2013, 05:16 PM
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This is god awful.

The only thing on Philly that can get Kessel AND Phaneuf is Giroux.
The difference between Kessel and Giroux isn't Phaneuf.

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01-23-2013, 05:16 PM
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The Leafs the trade, and I think value is close give or take. I can see why Philly wouldn't though.

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01-23-2013, 05:25 PM
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The value is a good starter ...the issue with Philly is hey need a #1/2 Dman...not a rookie.

Kessel +Phaneuf + ??? for Couturier + Laughton + ???
Couturier + Laughton wouldn't get you Kessel alone and you want us to add Phaneuf?

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01-23-2013, 05:26 PM
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The difference between Kessel and Giroux isn't Phaneuf.
I am guessing it's less than Phaneuf.

I would decline, don't get me wrong Couts is a great player. But I have doubts that he will be a 1st line centre.

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01-23-2013, 06:51 PM
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Philly is in a win now mode and wants a #1 Dman....

Toronto has something in Phaneuf.

Kessel and Phaneuf are UFA in 2024. So how much do you think Toronto can get for them then?

If you notice I didn't say it was a 2 for 2 swap...just a starting point on a larger deal.

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01-23-2013, 06:58 PM
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Philly is in a win now mode and wants a #1 Dman....

Toronto has something in Phaneuf.

Kessel and Phaneuf are UFA in 2024. So how much do you think Toronto can get for them then?

If you notice I didn't say it was a 2 for 2 swap...just a starting point on a larger deal.
Why add Kessel though? Philly doesn't really need him and Toronto can't really afford to move him

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01-23-2013, 11:53 PM
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As for the OEL/Gardiner comparisons, Gardiner has higher offensive potential while OEL is better all around.

I'd take OEL, but that's not saying much since I'd take OEL over A LOT of Dmen
I could be wrong, cause I barely catch Leafs games, and I do get to watch a decent amount of Coyotes games....but how in the heck does Gardiner have a higher offensive upside than OEL? In my opinion, OEL has one of the best slapshots in the game from the point, as well as a deadly wrister. His on-ice awareness is top notch as well. Then you add in his defensive ability, and the fact that he can throw hits...I just don't see a comparison, offensively or defensively. Again, I could be wrong, cause on have only seen him play against the Flyers and YouTube videos, but I just don't see it...at all.

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01-24-2013, 05:22 AM
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What about a Jake Gardiner for S Couturier swap?

Young 21 yr old stud d for a young center... fits both teams needs
I'd rather hold on to Gardiner. Not that this isn't fair value but I don't think the Leafs are going to do this and idk why Philly would either unless we add a prospect and/or pick because they would want overpayment

In short, no deal from both sides

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01-24-2013, 12:56 PM
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so, so bad

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01-24-2013, 01:06 PM
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The value is very close and it fits the team's needs but Philly like Couturier a little more than what he's worth and the same goes for Toronto with Gardiner. Therefor it's unlikely it will ever happen.

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01-24-2013, 01:43 PM
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As for the OEL/Gardiner comparisons, Gardiner has higher offensive potential while OEL is better all around.

I'd take OEL, but that's not saying much since I'd take OEL over A LOT of Dmen

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01-24-2013, 01:51 PM
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The value is a good starter ...the issue with Philly is hey need a #1/2 Dman...not a rookie.

Kessel +Phaneuf + ??? for Couturier + Laughton + ???
Philly`s needs are one thing (BTW, TO needs a 1LC and not a rookie 3LC too), but you do realize that for a #1/2 Dman you have to put substantially more on the table than Couturier, right?

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01-24-2013, 02:29 PM
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Something tells me this aint a rumor.. with the defense deficit and almost no chance that Couts becomes a #1C leafs respectfully decline.
I'm surprise there was not one response to this ridiculous assumption that a 19 year top 10 draft pick has 0 chance at becoming a 1C.

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01-24-2013, 03:32 PM
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I'm surprise there was not one response to this ridiculous assumption that a 19 year top 10 draft pick has 0 chance at becoming a 1C.
Well there is a chance he's right but yeah using "0" wasn't a good idea..perhaps he meant on Philly since your center depth is pretty good?

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01-24-2013, 03:34 PM
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Leafs say no. IMHO Gardiner has a better ceiling than Coutourier.

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01-24-2013, 03:53 PM
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Leafs say no. IMHO Gardiner has a better ceiling than Coutourier.
Sean *Couturier has legitimate #1C potential who will put up points and shut down the opponent's top line.

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