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01-23-2013, 01:30 PM
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... Do you know what "B Level" means? It means good prospects, but not top blue chip prospects. All teams have "B Prospects". If those guys were better than "B", they would be "A Prospects" and thus be "top prospects".. please don't tell me you think they're comparable to ~Kuznetsov, Zbad, Shwartz, Baertschi, Rielly, Hamilton, etc??

For example, I would call ~Finn, Percy, Biggs, Colborne, etc "B Prospects" for Toronto. They have value. But they definitely aren't projected to be top line material.
Klefbom absolutely is more than a B prospect

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Unfortunately, there are at least 25 other teams looking for the centre the op described.
Oh I totally agree. Everyone wants to have a 1B center. The OP might have an unrealistic expectation on the guy coming back as a Marleau or a Benn (someone who could be a #1) on another team. I think we could get a guy that's somewhere between Couturier and Stoll.

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... Do you know what "B Level" means? It means good prospects, but not top blue chip prospects. All teams have "B Prospects". If those guys were better than "B", they would be "A Prospects" and thus be "top prospects".. please don't tell me you think they're comparable to ~Kuznetsov, Zbad, Shwartz, Baertschi, Rielly, Hamilton, etc??

For example, I would call ~Finn, Percy, Biggs, Colborne, etc "B Prospects" for Toronto. They have value. But they definitely aren't projected to be top line material.
exactly right.

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01-23-2013, 01:33 PM
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I don't get why people keep saying this. We still have our 1st round pick, two seconds and I wouldn't call all our prospects B level. Paajarvai, Lander, Marincin, Klefbom and Musil all have decent trade value. I would argue that teams would see value in Gagner, Hemsky, Jones, Belanger, and pretty much anyone on defence outside of Schultz is available.

We won't get an elite number 2 center but we could certainly get a guy that fits the role.
No one is calling all of your prospects B levels. However, the ones you mentioned and the ones that always come out in trade ideas from edmonton fans are indeed B level prospects. Yes, they have some value, but people aren't going to fork over prime talents for a collection of B prospects and late picks.

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01-23-2013, 01:34 PM
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... Do you know what "B Level" means? It means good prospects, but not top blue chip prospects. All teams have "B Prospects". If those guys were better than "B", they would be "A Prospects" and thus be "top prospects".. please don't tell me you think they're comparable to ~Kuznetsov, Zbad, Shwartz, Baertschi, Rielly, Hamilton, etc??

For example, I would call ~Finn, Percy, Biggs, Colborne, etc "B Prospects" for Toronto. They have value. But they definitely aren't projected to be top line material.
I had no idea. I guess I should follow prospects more...

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01-23-2013, 01:34 PM
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Hemsky and 1st for Marleau? He leads the league in goals
If you're a Sharks fan, that's terrible.

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01-23-2013, 01:38 PM
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Oh I totally agree. Everyone wants to have a 1B center. The OP might have an unrealistic expectation on the guy coming back as a Marleau or a Benn (someone who could be a #1) on another team. I think we could get a guy that's somewhere between Couturier and Stoll.
I said no such thing of wanting a 1B, I said I would like them to acquire a #2 player who can play with Yak and Hemsky (our second line).
Ideally it could be someone like Bolland who plays 3rd line somewhere else but would fit in nicely here as our 2nd line centre.. Or a guy like Brooks Laich, or Dubinsky.. there are options out there..

If the Edmonton Oilers were to give up their 1st this year than we would be talking about 1b centres..

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01-23-2013, 01:40 PM
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No one is calling all of your prospects B levels. However, the ones you mentioned and the ones that always come out in trade ideas from edmonton fans are indeed B level prospects. Yes, they have some value, but people aren't going to fork over prime talents for a collection of B prospects and late picks.
Labeling a prospect as "A" or "B" is just beyond stupid. This reminds me at school when you had to circle a Number between 1-5. you just pigeon hole people by the way you evaluate things. By this logic you have maybe 5 A level prospects and 350 B level prospects? Prospects change and develop. A level prospects flop and B level prospects shine all the time. I guess I'm getting off topic though.

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01-23-2013, 01:46 PM
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I think it is obvious that Klefbom and our 1st will bring the most value as far as trades go.. But these are the going to be two pieces that the Oilers are not going to give up willingly..

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From Philly, Briere would be available.
LOL, was it the "interested in a bigger centre" or the "through the body around a bit" that made you think of Briere.

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I'll go again - what about Brooks Laich?

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Trade for Kyle Brodziak.

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this is why it was we smart for Edmonton to trade Yarkipov for 2 second line players....a center plaus a winger or vet dman.

I do think Phiily could be an interesting trade partner with Brierre (though he likely blocks it).

Another possible team would be Boston after the season because of the serious cap issues. they will need to unload some contracts to get below the cap.

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01-23-2013, 02:01 PM
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Okay, nevermind who is available. Can we have a least of all 2 line centers in the league and maybe some of the 3rd liners who could be 2nd liners but are stuck behind someone?

Something tells me this big 2nd line center, that wins draws, plays physical and two-way hockey isn't exactly that common.

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01-23-2013, 02:05 PM
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I'll go again - what about Brooks Laich?
He's probably a guy that fits the mold.

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So basically you're looking for a David Backes type of player. See, the issue is that these types of guys are almost never traded.

You can have Michal Handzus. He's big, physical, a defensively-oriented player, and can win faceoffs. He's also a 4-time 20 goal scorer. You know you want to.

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01-23-2013, 02:11 PM
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I agree that Brooks Laich would fit the mold, how hurt is he this year? and what would it take to get him?

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Ryan O'Rielly. He's having contract disputes with Colorado.

The price for him would be quite high though. Higher than some of the other names that have been mentioned in this thread (Laich, Berglund, etc).

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Ryan O'Rielly. He's having contract disputes with Colorado.

The price for him would be quite high though. Higher than some of the other names that have been mentioned in this thread (Laich, Berglund, etc).
Actually, O'Reilly would be perfect. I just don't know what the Oilers have to offer up to Colorado. Maybe Smid.

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01-23-2013, 02:26 PM
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Here is what I can think of that would be attainable players...I know a lot of these teams have players that would suit the role perfectly like ROR, but I left them out because the price would be too high...

Bolland
Dubinsky
Galyenchuk - price might be too high for him though
Jarett Stoll
Kyle Brodziak
Hanzel
Bozak
Steen? - not physical but prob an improvement on Gagner..
Brooks Liach.

Guys like Couterier, Schenn, Staal, Sutter, Huberduea fit the bill perfectly but would cost too much to acquire..

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Here is what I can think of that would be attainable players...I know a lot of these teams have players that would suit the role perfectly like ROR, but I left them out because the price would be too high...

Bolland
Dubinsky
Galyenchuk - price might be too high for him though
Jarett Stoll
Kyle Brodziak
Hanzel
Bozak
Steen? - not physical but prob an improvement on Gagner..
Brooks Liach.

Guys like Couterier, Schenn, Staal, Sutter, Huberduea fit the bill perfectly but would cost too much to acquire..
Brandon Sutter would cost too much to acquire but Galchenyuk is plausible.

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Brandon Sutter would cost too much to acquire but Galchenyuk is plausible.
Galyenchuk - price might be too high for him though

Did you stop reading after his name?

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Galyenchuk - price might be too high for him though

Did you stop reading after his name?
I saw "might", whereas Sutter was completely off the table.

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