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01-23-2013, 03:59 PM
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What about something like paajarvi + for plekanec ??? That would be good for both team ...
Plekanec is soo underrated on this site...The '+' would need to be something significant, or I don't see it happening.

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01-23-2013, 04:06 PM
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What about something like paajarvi + for plekanec ??? That would be good for both team ...
Seems like there would have to be a pretty signifigant + added to MPS for MTL to consider it

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Stajan for 31st overall pick next year?

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01-23-2013, 04:33 PM
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Seems like there would have to be a pretty signifigant + added to MPS for MTL to consider it
better believe it. i don't think he's available - not for what the oil have. Maybe Eller or Desharnias but outside the 4 wingers, not really interested in anything oilers have up front

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Stajan for 31st overall pick next year?
Ya... I'd rather just play Horcoff on the 2nd line than acquire a guy that we'd just buy out

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Klefbom absolutely is more than a B prospect
I disagree.

An 'A' level defenseman prospect would certainly be a guy who is projected to be a top pairing dman. Klefblom is not that. He is 'B' level

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01-23-2013, 07:47 PM
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It's irrelevant.

Gagner has easily been a top 3 player for us throughout the first two games. There's no way he's gone unless we get an upgrade at center. If we trade Ganger our roster is screwed. Literally screwed.

What are we going to do? Move Horcoff up to the 2nd line? Other than face-offs, everything he does looks like some guy from the ECHL. Move Belanger up to the third line? Other than face-offs, everything he does resembles a player from the beer leagues. Bring Lander up to the 4th line? Jee that'll be great for his development... NOT!

And sure, Luongo is an upgrade over Dubby, but why would we want him signed that long? If he retires before those 1 mill seasons kick in we'll be the team getting penalized. If Vancouver was hold onto half of the salary I admit it would be tempting because we'd be set in goal long term, but there's no way we're looking for a #2 center unless we're going into tank mode for the season.

Eberle, Hopkins and Hall are worth way too much for a #2 center.

Hemsky isn't likely to nab us a #2 center. Well not on HFboards. Yes, he's been amazing throughout our first two games, but I just don't see a team out there who's going to cough up a quality #2 center with size.

Yakupov isn't going to be traded for a #2 center. It leaves our scoring depth in disarray. The one thing we feel good about this year is that we're going to score a bunch of goals. Our goaltending is passable and our 3rd pairing is looking like junk after watching how physically weak Whitney looked last game.

Petry, Smid and Schults aren't going anywhere. So no, don't even dream of either of these players being traded for a #2 center. Without them our team is significantly worse no matter how good that #2 center is. I don't care if it even gets us some unrealistic return like Marleau.

Oscar Klefbom is going nowhere. He's the guy we need to hope is healthy and NHL read to round out our blueline next season.

I'll state again: Unless Edmonton wishes to go back into tank mode, there's nothing they can possibly offer for a 2nd line center.

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01-23-2013, 07:54 PM
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The past 3 years weren't supposed to be tank years for Edmonton.....

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The past 3 years weren't supposed to be tank years for Edmonton.....
Yes, they were. Tambo said so when he came in. He said 4 years till we're competitive.

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It's irrelevant.

Gagner has easily been a top 3 player for us throughout the first two games. There's no way he's gone unless we get an upgrade at center. If we trade Ganger our roster is screwed. Literally screwed.

What are we going to do? Move Horcoff up to the 2nd line? Other than face-offs, everything he does looks like some guy from the ECHL. Move Belanger up to the third line? Other than face-offs, everything he does resembles a player from the beer leagues. Bring Lander up to the 4th line? Jee that'll be great for his development... NOT!

And sure, Luongo is an upgrade over Dubby, but why would we want him signed that long? If he retires before those 1 mill seasons kick in we'll be the team getting penalized. If Vancouver was hold onto half of the salary I admit it would be tempting because we'd be set in goal long term, but there's no way we're looking for a #2 center unless we're going into tank mode for the season.

Eberle, Hopkins and Hall are worth way too much for a #2 center.

Hemsky isn't likely to nab us a #2 center. Well not on HFboards. Yes, he's been amazing throughout our first two games, but I just don't see a team out there who's going to cough up a quality #2 center with size.

Yakupov isn't going to be traded for a #2 center. It leaves our scoring depth in disarray. The one thing we feel good about this year is that we're going to score a bunch of goals. Our goaltending is passable and our 3rd pairing is looking like junk after watching how physically weak Whitney looked last game.

Petry, Smid and Schults aren't going anywhere. So no, don't even dream of either of these players being traded for a #2 center. Without them our team is significantly worse no matter how good that #2 center is. I don't care if it even gets us some unrealistic return like Marleau.

Oscar Klefbom is going nowhere. He's the guy we need to hope is healthy and NHL read to round out our blueline next season.

I'll state again: Unless Edmonton wishes to go back into tank mode, there's nothing they can possibly offer for a 2nd line center.
This x100

Gagner is not the ideal 2nd line centre but he's our only option and trading Gagner would cripple us offensively. Imagine Horcoff centering Hemsky and Yakupov

Gagner is 23. Age and maturity level plays a bigger factor in development than years of service. Besides, Gagner has been jerked around on bad teams for the past 4 years playing with truly awful linemates.

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I disagree.

An 'A' level defenseman prospect would certainly be a guy who is projected to be a top pairing dman. Klefblom is not that. He is 'B' level
Klefbom has been projected as a potential top pairing d-man. Don't know what makes you think otherwise.

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01-23-2013, 10:18 PM
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Yes, they were. Tambo said so when he came in. He said 4 years till we're competitive.
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The past 3 years weren't supposed to be tank years for Edmonton.....
Not to mention that Lowe said it was a 5 year plan, pretty much starting with drafting Hall.

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Well you can try to acquire Getzlaf either by trade or sign, make him your 1st line center and then automatically "acquire" RNH as your 2nd line center.

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Well you can try to acquire Getzlaf either by trade or sign, make him your 1st line center and then automatically "acquire" RNH as your 2nd line center.
Wouldn't be long till Hopkins would get the minutes over Getzlaf. Getz's offence isn't elite.

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Eller, n
ow make us an offer we can't refuse, we'll even throw in a D-man if you want

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What about something like paajarvi + for plekanec ??? That would be good for both team ...
If the + is Klefbom we may listen
we can throw in Weber or maybe a second or maybe another propect, maybe even Moen if you want somme experience and size, unless you want Kaberle too

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As an Oiler fan, I would offer Sam Gagner + 2014 1st round pick for Ryan O'reilly and a 2013 3rd round pick (if they have it?), though I am sure Av fans will politely decline.

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Teams with a player who's big, wins faceoffs and throws the body around aren't giving that player up easily.
Exactly. Look at the Jordan Staal deal.

And the problem isn't that Gagner isn't a #2C, it's that he's the wrong sort of #2C to sit behind a superskilled runt like RNH. As identified by the OP, Oilers need a more robust second line center, and those sorts are extremely hard to come by. The downside to an extremely skilled, but basically non-physical and defensively passive #1C like RNH.


As for who is available? Good luck with that. Probably better off just drafting one of their own...tho it will take a while to develop and the Oilers rebuild has already ben going on for quite a while now./

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Klefbom has been projected as a potential top pairing d-man. Don't know what makes you think otherwise.
By Oiler fans

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I think Montreal will be looking to move one of their centerman this year, especially if Galchenyuk sticks around. Neither have looked very good playing the wing

I would assume either Desharnais or Eller could be had for a 1st or 2nd, maybe with Weber thrown in if it's a first.

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Ryan O'Rielly. He's having contract disputes with Colorado.

The price for him would be quite high though. Higher than some of the other names that have been mentioned in this thread (Laich, Berglund, etc).
ROR would be a perfect fit in the Oiler "core" big, strong center to counter RNH who also has great offensive ability

but I highly doubt the Avs trade him within the division

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Edmonton fans have been selling Ganger here as a 2nd line center HARD for years. How come he isn't a fit for you 2nd line center role?

If he doesn't fit in your top 6 WHY do you think he fits in someone else's?

Hopefully this puts an end to all the Ganger plus a 2nd for your star threads.

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Edmonton fans have been selling Ganger here as a 2nd line center HARD for years. How come he isn't a fit for you 2nd line center role?

If he doesn't fit in your top 6 WHY do you think he fits in someone else's?

Hopefully this puts an end to all the Ganger plus a 2nd for your star threads.
Its not so cut and dry.

If we had a number one center who was big and played a bit different style, then Gagner would be fine here. For example, Sam Gagner playing in, say, San Jose, behind Thornton, would be a great fit for him, if they didn't already have other centers of course, or Phoenix, who has a lot of grit among forwards but could use an infusion of skill. But Gagner doesn`t really fit in Edmonton, just like he wouldn`t fit on teams like Vancouver who rely on less physical playmaking centers for their top line. Gagner is a decent enough player to be our second line center, he just has similar skills to the rest of our top six forwards and to diversify the type of player in our top six, we probably need to move him eventually.

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Edmonton fans have been selling Ganger here as a 2nd line center HARD for years. How come he isn't a fit for you 2nd line center role?

If he doesn't fit in your top 6 WHY do you think he fits in someone else's?

Hopefully this puts an end to all the Ganger plus a 2nd for your star threads.
because we need to get bigger down the middle...if we had a big strong #1 center like Getzlaf, Gagner would be a perfect #2

since we have RNH as a #1 center, we need to get grittier and stronger at #2

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