Yeah Marleau was but he's become more of a power forward than the speedster he once was - and Havlat has that talent, but he's got the injury history and hasn't been dominating much since he's come over.
Kinda like how STL will be better with a scorer like Tarasenko, the Sharks need someone who can break out when things get tight in the playoffs.
Lucic or Horton.... Thats what the Oilers need. All this other pavelski or X small forward is garbage.
I'd trade Hall straight up for Lucic. Would Boston, doubtful.. call me crazy.
You're crazy, as much as I like Lucic.
I've wanted Horton here for years, and would love to have him here, but we need to move Hemsky IMO for a centre or more ideally, a LW, so Yakupov can play RW.
Eberle, Hemsky, Yakupov and Paajarvi are all RW'ers, playing them on the left makes them less effective.
What about reacquiring Penner? He is a LW. He couldn't cost much, maybe a pick or one of Potter/Whitney/Peckham. Than you could look at moving Hemsky for a D to bump Potter or Whitney out of the lineup.
What about reacquiring Penner? He is a LW. He couldn't cost much, maybe a pick or one of Potter/Whitney/Peckham. Than you could look at moving Hemsky for a D to bump Potter or Whitney out of the lineup.
im probably the wrong guy to ask but i love penner and think he would compliment our young players very well. just get ready for the hes fat pancakes hes lazy despite scoring 27 goals etc etc
hes also won 2 more stanley cups than our whole dressing room added together,.
Yeah Marleau was but he's become more of a power forward than the speedster he once was - and Havlat has that talent, but he's got the injury history and hasn't been dominating much since he's come over.
Kinda like how STL will be better with a scorer like Tarasenko, the Sharks need someone who can break out when things get tight in the playoffs.
Couture and Pavelski, two guys on the Sharks who cued on defensive turnovers by the Oilers last evening and buried the resulting chance with nice shots. I would include Marleau as well. All three of those guys can score 30 goals every season.
im probably the wrong guy to ask but i love penner and think he would compliment our young players very well. just get ready for the hes fat pancakes hes lazy despite scoring 27 goals etc etc
hes also won 2 more stanley cups than our whole dressing room added together,.
im probably the wrong guy to ask but i love penner and think he would compliment our young players very well. just get ready for the hes fat pancakes hes lazy despite scoring 27 goals etc etc
hes also won 2 more stanley cups than our whole dressing room added together,.
He's trying to illustrate a point to you. Having a ring doesn't prove you're a great player.
Clearly it isn't working.
the cup thing was a afterthought of what i already posted, if i said we should pick up penner solely because he haas won 2 cups then i would get the point.
the cup thing was a afterthought of what i already posted, if i said we should pick up penner solely because he haas won 2 cups then i would get the point.
The guy is far removed from a 27 goal season.
We were all on his case during his end time in EDM.. He has scored 9 friggin goals as a LA King.. 2 in 10-11 and 7 lasy year.. This year he has been a healthy scratch on multiple occasions.. You dont play him ahead of Hartikainen just because he has 2 rings.
The guy has had a short career but has made more money than most others with the same skillset\production.. 2 great seasons and the guy has become a 20 million dollar man.
Nobody said anything about trading the core. You add what you need to win. After you win you deal with with the issues as best you can.
If you add a few pieces in the off season you can have a 2 year run, maybe even 3. Then if a guy like Yakupov or Petry or Gagner starts asking for 5,6,7 million you decide if that player is worth keeping or you trade that player for another need. Such as the Staal for Sutter or Goligoski for Neal trades.
A few points.
In a previous post you advocated going for Corey Perry in FA, Perry is gonna cost you 7m if you are lucky, but more likely more as you are limited to 7 years and no garbage years. Make a move like that and no matter how you dress it up, you can't keep the big 5 together so you move one out, sure it's not a direct trade but it might as well be.
It's pretty well recognized that we need to add size to the top 6, but in my opinion you replace Hemsky then Gagner in that order.
Petry imo only gets moved in an obvious upgrade situation.
Yakupov will be asking for 6m and imo if he lives up to his potential you pay him, he is worth it.
As far as the Pittsburgh trades go, Staal for Sutter is a downgrade but they could not offer him the top 6 minutes he wanted so their hand was forced, certainly not a move to address a need.
Goligoski(#61 overall) was a complimentary player and a trade for Neal makes the team obviously better without risking their core.
The sun has set on the, 'Penner as an impact forward' thing. Its over.
We don't need him to be an impact player. He'd be the 6th best forward in our top 6, and by a wide margin. We need him to play big and bury some of the chance the others create for him. If he can do
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from time to time, we've got a great asset.
The other option imo is of course Horton, who I've also been pushing for a while
What about reacquiring Penner? He is a LW. He couldn't cost much, maybe a pick or one of Potter/Whitney/Peckham. Than you could look at moving Hemsky for a D to bump Potter or Whitney out of the lineup.
I'd give up Teubert for Penner .... straight across.
Hell no. We're not having another Greene incident. IMO, you either trade him for a 2nd or better, or you keep him for a year or two as a 6/7 and see if he can get back on track. Fistric-Peckham would be the hardest to play against bottom pairing in the league
What would people think of a umberger for hemsky swap??? I know hemsky only has 1 year left so we might need to add a pick but this seems to address both teams needs.
Edmonton gets a big, gritty, 2 way left winger.
Columbus gets a highly skilled offensive game changer. They are already pretty gritty with Amnisimov, dubinsky, foligno, etc. and could use some more skill.
I know umberger has a ntc but he probably waive it for a chance to be on a good team.
Hell no. We're not having another Greene incident. IMO, you either trade him for a 2nd or better, or you keep him for a year or two as a 6/7 and see if he can get back on track. Fistric-Peckham would be the hardest to play against bottom pairing in the league
We need to get rid of a dman anyway, we can't carry 8 all year. We just acquired a tough, physical 6/7 dman whith less question marks about conditioning and commitment and it cost us a 3rd round pick. Value wise it is exactly what you would get.
I understand wanting to hold on to him and see what happens but there is no way someone gives up a second for him.
You have not watched the last two years of Penner obviously. He is a huge guy but does not hit and only shows up when he wants to. No thanks.
He's always been a guy with motivation issues. He needs the right situation, with the right people to light a fire under his ass. LA isn't a good fit for him
We need to get rid of a dman anyway, we can't carry 8 all year. We just acquired a tough, physical 6/7 dman whith less question marks about conditioning and commitment and it cost us a 3rd round pick. Value wise it is exactly what you would get.
I understand wanting to hold on to him and see what happens but there is no way someone gives up a second for him.
That's my point though. Why take a crappy mid round pick for him? Trade Potter. Hell, trade Whitney. You keep Peckham for a while unless you get wowed
