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01-24-2013, 07:28 AM
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ROR is just one of many possible targets. I wouldn't put him above Stepan though.

Sutter, Stoll, Laich, Brodziak, guys like them would be good. Brodziak is probably out o the question though.
Okay, so you just referred to O'reilly as a third line center, clearly a player you don't know much about, yet you put Stepan ahead of him? How exactly do you know Stepan is better? because he plays for your team?

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Doubt the Rangers move the 2nd thsi year without having a 1st.

Not having one pick in the top 60 of what is gearing up to be a deep draft would be dumb.

Don't see the Rangers moving the 2nd for Koivu.

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Doubt the Rangers move the 2nd thsi year without having a 1st.

Not having one pick in the top 60 of what is gearing up to be a deep draft would be dumb.

Don't see the Rangers moving the 2nd for Koivu.
So I am just going to state the obvious here, but lack of a first round pick in the draft and unwillingness to trade the 2nd, doesn`t exactly make the offer of futures that much stronger.

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Seeing as we can't spare roster players, do any of our prospects interest you?

Ryan O'Reilly would be very nice, any word on his contract negotiations?

A 3rd pairing RD would be nice too.
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Okay, so you just referred to O'reilly as a third line center, clearly a player you don't know much about, yet you put Stepan ahead of him? How exactly do you know Stepan is better? because he plays for your team?
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Avs fans, I'd like to apologize on behalf of all Ranger posters, I don't think he knows ROR that well.
Shame we have to keep apologizing to other fanbases every time the OP's savvy proposals come to fruition.

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So I am just going to state the obvious here, but lack of a first round pick in the draft and unwillingness to trade the 2nd, doesn`t exactly make the offer of futures that much stronger.
agreed.

In my opinion, what you see, is what you get with the Rangers this year.

Don't see them adding anyone at the deadline.

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So I am just going to state the obvious here, but lack of a first round pick in the draft and unwillingness to trade the 2nd, doesn`t exactly make the offer of futures that much stronger.
The Rangers are not going to be shy about trading away future assets when they have the team they do. If they think a trade helps them win a cup this year or next, before half their team turns UFA, they'll probably make the trade.

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O'Reilly is certainly better than Stepan...lol. His career high is 55 points compared to Stepan' 51, and O'Reilly is a beast defensively.



And you won't be getting guys like that while only offering futures, sorry. Teams are not looking to trade very good 3rd line centers for picks and prospects.

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I don't think the Rangers need a 3rd line C but they do seem to need a 3rd line Winger if Kreider is sent to the AHL which looks like he will be

NYR has played 4 games after 2nite and have already used Segal, Newbury, Bickel up front and well they stink. Fine for a few games here and there but thats it

So who has a depth F available?

I imagine Rangers offer a 3rd rounder and if a team wants a Dman like Gilroy, Bickel or Eminger

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Okay, so you just referred to O'reilly as a third line center, clearly a player you don't know much about, yet you put Stepan ahead of him? How exactly do you know Stepan is better? because he plays for your team?
I would also put Stepan over RO'R, and I've seen both of them play quite a bit. The reason is mainly consistency. Both players had similar seasons last year. Mid-50's point production, both do things that the other guy doesn't do quite as well (Stepan is the better goal scorer, while RO'R is better defensively--to be clear, RO'R is no slouch in the goal scoring department and Stepan is also good defensively).

My issue, and it's the reason I put a bit more stock in Stepan right now, is we know that Stepan's 2nd line production wasn't a flash in the pan. His 51 point season was preceded by a 45 point season, and he's on a ppg pace so far in this young season. RO'R's 55 point season was preceded by a pair of 26 point seasons. Granted, that's very likely due to the fact that he was a teenager playing in a men's league. I'm not trying to discount his accomplishments at all. I just wouldn't want to give up a ton in trade or play him over a guy like Stepan until he's shown that he can produce 2nd line numbers consistently. I suspect that's the same reason he doesn't have a contract with the Avs yet, either--their management wants to see him do that before they pay him at that rate.

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If Winnipeg is looking to be out of the race by the deadline Antropov could be available for a second rounder. He'd basically be replacing Anisimov's role from last year, no?

Cheveldayoff traded impending UFA Oduya to CHI while we were still in the hunt last year.

How was he when you guys got him from TML the first time around?

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If Winnipeg is looking to be out of the race by the deadline Antropov could be available for a second rounder. He'd basically be replacing Anisimov's role from last year, no?

Cheveldayoff traded impending UFA Oduya to CHI while we were still in the hunt last year.

How was he when you guys got him from TML the first time around?
This was my thought as well. Antropov takes abuse for his footspeed but he's still very effective defensively and even though he rarely finishes his checks he does like to use his size around the net - I think he's a good 3rd line center.

I think they'd want a 2nd and a 3rd for him because the rest of the year might be a rough ride without him, far more so than going without Oduya last year.

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Flames have an excess of bodies at forward.

Would you like Matt Stajan? For perhaps.. a 3rd round pick?

Only bloody guy on the team who can win a faceoff, but going 0-2-1 to start a 48 game season makes the outlook for 2013 not very rosy anyways...

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If I were the Rangers I would not move a 2nd for Antropov. Too slow for the style of play the Rangers want to play.

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Bozak could probably be had as he's a pending UFA. He's in the wrong role in Toronto, I think he could actually make a decent 3rd line C. Plays the PK, is defensively responsible, adds scoring depth, and is decent at FOs.

Toronto can run with Kadri in the top 6 for the remainder of the year as an experiment, and try and fill the hole this summer if needed.

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Eller + Beaulieu for Kreider/Hagelin

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Flames have an excess of bodies at forward.

Would you like Matt Stajan? For perhaps.. a 3rd round pick?

Only bloody guy on the team who can win a faceoff, but going 0-2-1 to start a 48 game season makes the outlook for 2013 not very rosy anyways...

I think Stajan would be perfect, but I don't think the Rangers could handle that contract next year. They probably need to hold onto that 2nd compliance buyout for someone like Rupp as it is.

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The Rangers are not going to be shy about trading away future assets when they have the team they do. If they think a trade helps them win a cup this year or next, before half their team turns UFA, they'll probably make the trade.
don't think that this is accurate.

The Rangers know that in order for them to remain competitive and compete for cup(S) then they are absolutely going to need young cheap players to consistently pump through the system.

Spending like a drunken sailor doesn't work. Wasting assets on UFA's to be doesn't work and I highly doubt the move a 2nd rounder for a UFA to be.

If they do not have the assets in place to get the job done, no player that is available (least not for a measely 2nd rounder) is going to be good enough to get them over the hump.

It's a fools endeavour.

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I think Stajan would be perfect, but I don't think the Rangers could handle that contract next year. They probably need to hold onto that 2nd compliance buyout for someone like Rupp as it is.
Calgary could probablyretain around $1-1.5 million of the cap hit, if it makes it easier, depending what happens with Iginla and others.

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Eller + Beaulieu for Kreider/Hagelin
NYR wont move Kreider or Hagelin . They are basically going to look for a rental for a draft pick or mid level prospect. IOff the roster I can really only see Eminger, Bickel or Gilroy go. Rupp should but they may like his toughness. Heck Rupp is likely playing 3rd line tonight , that's the problem with Kreider sitting

here are some UFAs next yr. That would be the target, no salary on the books

Iginla, Jarome » R CGY 35 $7,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Semin, Alexander » R CAR 28 $7,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Elias, Patrik » C NJD 36 $6,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Getzlaf, Ryan » C ANA 27 $5,325,000 2013 (UFA)
Perry, Corey » R ANA 27 $5,325,000 2013 (UFA)
Ribeiro, Mike » C WAS 32 $5,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Alfredsson, Daniel » R OTT 40 $4,875,000 2013 (UFA)
Connolly, Tim » C TOR 31 $4,750,000 2013 (UFA)
McDonald, Andy » C STL 35 $4,700,000 2013 (UFA)
Jagr, Jaromir » R DAL 40 $4,550,000 2013 (UFA)
Selanne, Teemu » R ANA 42 $4,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Morrow, Brenden » L DAL 34 $4,100,000 2013 (UFA)
Bouchard, Pierre-Marc » R MIN 28 $4,080,000 2013 (UFA)
Antropov, Nik » C WIN 32 $4,062,500 2013 (UFA)
Roy, Derek » C DAL 29 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Horton, Nathan » R BOS 27 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Koivu, Saku » C ANA 38 $3,800,000 2013 (UFA)
Cervenka, Roman » C CGY 27 $3,775,000 2013 (UFA)
Clowe, Ryane » L SJS 30 $3,625,000 2013 (UFA)
Gagne, Simon » L LAK 32 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Lombardi, Matthew » C PHX 30 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Cullen, Matt » C MIN 36 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Ryder, Michael » R DAL 32 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Zubrus, Dainius » C NJD 34 $3,400,000 2013 (UFA)
Penner, Dustin » L LAK 30 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA)
MacArthur, Clarke » L TOR 27 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA)
Weiss, Stephen » C FLA 29 $3,100,000 2013 (UFA)
Filppula, Valtteri » L DET 28 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Cleary, Danny » L DET 34 $2,800,000 2013 (UFA)
Clarkson, David » R NJD 28 $2,666,667 2013 (UFA)
Sullivan, Steve » L PHX 38 $2,600,000 2013 (UFA)
Handzus, Michal » C SJS 35 $2,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Prospal, Vinny » L CLB 37 $2,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Malhotra, Manny » C VAN 32 $2,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Raymond, Mason » L VAN 27 $2,275,000 2013 (UFA)
Hejduk, Milan » R COL 36 $2,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Latendresse, Guillaume » L OTT 25 $2,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Higgins, Chris » L VAN 29 $1,900,000 2013 (UFA)
Ponikarovsky, Alexei » L WIN 32 $1,800,000 2013 (UFA)
Cooke, Matt » L PIT 34 $1,800,000 2013 (UFA)
Fedotenko, Ruslan » L PHI 34 $1,750,000 2013 (UFA)
Torres, Raffi » L PHX 31 $1,750,000 2013 (UFA)
Larose, Chad » R CAR 30 $1,700,000 2013 (UFA)
Wellwood, Kyle » C WIN 29 $1,600,000 2013 (UFA)
Bozak, Tyler » C TOR 26 $1,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Jones, Ryan » R EDM 28 $1,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Langenbrunner, Jamie » R STL 37 $1,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Dupuis, Pascal » R PIT 33 $1,500,000 2013 (UFA)
Nystrom, Eric » L DAL 29 $1,400,000 2013 (UFA)
Miettinen, Antti » L WIN 32 $1,351,293 2013 (UFA)
Brunner, Damien » R DET 26 $1,350,000 2013 (UFA)
Reasoner, Marty » C NYI 35 $1,350,000 2013 (UFA)
Gordon, Boyd » C PHX 29 $1,325,000 2013 (UFA)
Kovalev, Alexei » L FLA 39 $1,300,000 2013 (UFA)
Comeau, Blake » L CGY 26 $1,250,000 2013 (UFA)
Kobasew, Chuck » R COL 30 $1,250,000 2013 (UFA)
Hecht, Jochen » C BUF 35 $1,250,000 2013 (UFA)
Richardson, Brad » R LAK 27 $1,175,000 2013 (UFA)
Steckel, David » C TOR 30 $1,100,000 2013 (UFA)
Lapierre, Maxim » C VAN 27 $1,000,000 2013 (UFA)
Armstrong, Colby » R MTL 30 $1,000,000 2013 (UFA)

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If I were the Rangers I would not move a 2nd for Antropov. Too slow for the style of play the Rangers want to play.
I placed a UFA list on here

Antropov does make sense as a UFA vet though

I like McCarthur as the best fit, team likely will miss the playoffs and Sather showed interest before

If the Canes drop out then Chad Larose could help too

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don't think that this is accurate.

The Rangers know that in order for them to remain competitive and compete for cup(S) then they are absolutely going to need young cheap players to consistently pump through the system.

Spending like a drunken sailor doesn't work. Wasting assets on UFA's to be doesn't work and I highly doubt the move a 2nd rounder for a UFA to be.

If they do not have the assets in place to get the job done, no player that is available (least not for a measely 2nd rounder) is going to be good enough to get them over the hump.

It's a fools endeavour.
Not that it is my plan, quite honestly I'd prefer they stuck to a plan of constantly adding through the draft and keeping their picks, but they only have 3 players right now signed beyond 13/14. Seems like with so many player contracts ending that year, they have a plan to give this group these next two seasons and reevaluate what to do from there. I'm going to assume that plan, along with Sather's age equates to them going for it in earnest this year or next depending on the circumstances nearer to the playoffs in each year.

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