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01-23-2013, 09:03 PM
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it obviously would depend on the cost. I doubt it matters; my guess is he isn't even available.
Not now. Looked like **** the first two games. Put him on the ice with Geno (or against Geno ), and Kulemin looks like a world beater. Well, maybe he'll go back into the ******* now.

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Engelland play bad enough that I bet the coaching staff is going to with the swollen eye/broken face excuse to sit him out next game for Bortuzzo/Lovejoy.
was thinking the same thing.

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Yeah that was a big play. Forgot about that until you mentioned it. Sid chipped to Duper and he came out the same side right?
Ya, would have tied the game at 3 and set the tone for the rest of the game.

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You mean the comfort zone here of some folks of Tangradi and a 2nd?
that? i'd do it in half a heartbeat. Toronto wouldn't touch that with 8 pairs of rubber gloves, though.

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Come on, folks. This is one regular season meaningless game. Don't get caught up in drama. Don't let 1 or 2 trolls get ya.

It's good to need to work on something. We are still 2-1 and got Winnipeg and Ottawa coming up.
how is this meaningless game, how is any game meaningless?


On the other matter...My head was spinning trying to figure out who's playing with who. BS by Bylsma, either cut 25 send him down or play him on 4th line, or if you want to give him a chance to play on 2nd line give him a chance not bench him after one mistake.

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You mean the comfort zone here of some folks of Tangradi and a 2nd?
Kulemin has never been mentioned in trade talks (even when Burke was around leaking to the media regularly), there's never been a peep that he's unhappy. The Leafs have been putting the lines through the blender this week, and Kulemin has never moved from the 2nd line.

I'm 99% he's not available, but to make up for that 1% of doubt, I'm 1.2 billion% sure he's not available for Tangradi and a 2nd.

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I don't believe the people saying they want Kulemin want him for Crosby. Need to surround Geno with as much talent as possible first, then worry about Crosby.
No, that's not the reason. You've got to get Crosby an impact winger.

The reason is that Kulemin specifically is a match for Geno. You see how he defended Geno tonight. That's because he understands how Geno plays, knows this tendencies, etc.

Kulemin is a third wheel. That's what Geno and Neal need.

What Sid needs is a second wheel.

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01-23-2013, 09:06 PM
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QUESTION FOR COLE AND ALL THE OTHER GUYS WHO KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT HOCKEY HERE:

Is it against the rules for a home ice coach to dictate matchups?
That would work if the other entire team did not play the exact same. Chippy and in your face.

Tell me a time other than PP's where the Leafs players are not all over the Pens players?

Right....0.

I don't think there's a game plan for that than just try to bust through it all. The Pens were not up to the task.

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Kulemin has never been mentioned in trade talks (even when Burke was around leaking to the media regularly), there's never been a peep that he's unhappy. The Leafs have been putting the lines through the blender this week, and Kulemin has never moved from the 2nd line.

I'm 99% he's not available, but to make up for that 1% of doubt, I'm 1.2 billion% sure he's not available for Tangradi and a 2nd.
Yes, I know. I was being facetious.

But, some here say 'he only scored 7 goals last year . . . Tangradi and a 2nd . . . maybe if he scores 30 again then you pay a little more'.

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No, that's not the reason. You've got to get Crosby an impact winger.

The reason is that Kulemin specifically is a match for Geno. You see how he defended Geno tonight. That's because he understands how Geno plays, knows this tendencies, etc.

Kulemin is a third wheel. That's what Geno and Neal need.

What Sid needs is a second wheel.
I was trying to make a different point. The original poster thought I meant we'd acquire him for 87, which wasn't the case.

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Good game Pens.

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Flames are 0-2. I just keep hoping they continue to dive bomb so they finally relent on trading Iginla if he wants to be moved. That's my big hope right now and probably the most realistic shot the team has at filling Sid's wing problem.

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No, that's not the reason. You've got to get Crosby an impact winger.

The reason is that Kulemin specifically is a match for Geno. You see how he defended Geno tonight. That's because he understands how Geno plays, knows this tendencies, etc.

Kulemin is a third wheel. That's what Geno and Neal need.

What Sid needs is a second wheel.
you're not getting both, you're just not. The price for Kulemin will be way too high, and the cost of a true "second wheel" for Sid will obviously steep. If the Pens were to get both, they'd gut their depth/prospect pool in the process.

And while prospects are nothing now, they are going to be vital to keeping the Pens below the cap after Malkin, Letang, et al are re-signed.

Edit: in my opinion, the Kulemin / Geno 3rd wheel talk should be put to rest. Find a true 1st line winger for Sid, move Kunitz to the 2nd line, and eventually move Bennett to the 1st line.

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That would work if the other entire team did not play the exact same. Chippy and in your face.

Tell me a time other than PP's where the Leafs players are not all over the Pens players?

Right....0.

I don't think there's a game plan for that than just try to bust through it all. The Pens were not up to the task.
I didn't say they were, but, when you're the coach at home, you still do everything in your power to jump start your team. If you're going to juggle or stack lines for that reason, then why don't you try to work more favorable matchups for that reason?

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Here would be my plan.

1. Somehow acquire Kulemin.

2. Trade Kennedy/Tangradi ( if neither are part of a package for Kulemin)

3. Move Dupuis down to 3rd line.

4. Call up Beau Bennett from Wilkes Barre.

Kunitz-Crosby-Bennett
Kulemin-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Sutter-Dupuis
Glass-Vitale-Adams

Easier said than done, I know.

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Can we not talk about winger trades in the plus/minus treads please?

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Kulemin has never been mentioned in trade talks (even when Burke was around leaking to the media regularly), there's never been a peep that he's unhappy. The Leafs have been putting the lines through the blender this week, and Kulemin has never moved from the 2nd line.

I'm 99% he's not available, but to make up for that 1% of doubt, I'm 1.2 billion% sure he's not available for Tangradi and a 2nd.
If we move him it's part of a package for a significant upgrade at C or G.

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When he put his head down and skated outside with what was becoming a developing 2 on 1, I was absolutely steamed. Not because I wanted the kid to fail. No. Because I said to myself 'here you go, Geno's busting up ice, Tangradi will see him and make a sweet pass, and he'll just take off with Geno and Neal from there'. It didn't happen. IMO, that put him on thin ice. When he failed to dump on what became a goal against, it took him off it.

I'm not saying that's fair, but it is what it is.
couldn't agree with you anymore. Tangradi had to keep his head up on that 2 on 1 with Malkin going to the net.

THE TANGRADI EXPERIMENT IS OVER. HE IS A BUST. TRADE HIM

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Can we not talk about winger trades in the plus/minus treads please?
right, i worked so hard to make a winger trade thread

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Can we not talk about winger trades in the plus/minus treads please?
But where else will we talk about it??!! (aside from 95% of the other threads on this board)

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THE TANGRADI EXPERIMENT IS OVER. HE IS A BUST. TRADE HIM
I do believe part I precludes, for the most part, part II

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4 minutes of playing time for Tangradi. I think he's done. Bylsma doesn't have a vision for what kind of player he is & in this league if you don't kill penalties or play on a PP unit you are the odd man out.

We miss Staals offense. Sutter just doesn't have that aspect to his game.
Yup. Good thing his speed and scoring touch can make up for all his other shortcomings.

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Nice to read so many good things about Kulemin.

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I didn't say they were, but, when you're the coach at home, you still do everything in your power to jump start your team. If you're going to juggle or stack lines for that reason, then why don't you try to work more favorable matchups for that reason?
Seriously, what match ups were going to change how the Leafs played?


Also, Kulemin doesn't change the outcome of this game if he were a Pen.

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