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01-25-2013, 11:19 AM
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Hodgson has pretty much shown over the past 3 years that he doesn't really care to work on his defensive game. Sure he's smart enough but he just doesn't care about playing defense. He was directly responsible for 3 goals yesterday and had a weak backcheck on the fourth.

I think it's pretty telling when you have an undersized rookie playing his first game and AV is instantly more warmed up to him than he ever was to Cody and trusts him more defensively.
He also threw a blind back pass at the offensive blueline that lead to a Carolina breakaway. The cane hit the cross bar.

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It's actually interesting. Schroeder was drafted after Gillis implemented his personality testing whereas Hodgson was drafted before. Clearly they thought that Schroeder did well on the test while I would be curious to see how Hodgson does on it. He's not horrible or anything, but he's clearly got a bit of a feeling of entitlement and seems to be a bit selfish.
This seems like a pretty dramatic leap to a conclusion, honestly. You never heard anything but good things from his teammates or coaches or basically anyone associated with him. Gillis touted this extensively when he drafted him, did he not?

I think it's more likely that Hodgson got fed up with the franchise after they screwed up his medical diagnosis and AV threw him under the bus in the media. I'm a Canucks fan, but I wouldn't want to play for a coach after he did that.

This necessity to demonize Hodgson seems absurd to me. He's not betrothen to the Canucks. They drafted him, there was conflict, and he asked to be moved. He still showed up and played hard and did his job until they moved him. Most good young players are a bit entitled: it's often part of the DNA that makes them great. Even Sidney Crosby got flak for years about that sort of thing.

I just don't get it, I guess. I like Hodgson. Seems like a nice kid, and you don't hear stories about him being a huge jerk off the ice like some guys. Seems like kind of a dorky kid who eats, breathes, and sleeps hockey. His teammates had to teach him how to dress, for cryin' out loud.

I personally hope both guys have great careers and it's one of those trades. Seems to be a minority Canucks fan opinion, though.


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01-25-2013, 11:25 AM
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I loved the deal before it happened. I suggested moving him for Kassian.

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My feelings at the time are documented in the trade thread.

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01-25-2013, 11:27 AM
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Hodgson has pretty much shown over the past 3 years that he doesn't really care to work on his defensive game. Sure he's smart enough but he just doesn't care about playing defense. He was directly responsible for 3 goals yesterday and had a weak backcheck on the fourth. I believe he contributed to the other 2 goals in the other 2 games too. Plus minus might be weak but he doesn't pass the eye test either.

I think it's pretty telling when you have an undersized rookie playing his first game and AV is instantly more warmed up to him than he ever was to Cody and trusts him more defensively.
Hodgson is, what, 22? I think he has a bit of time to grow defensively and mature as a player. You might be right that he doesn't have the character to want to be that guy, but it seems a bit early to just assume that.

And I'd bet you a pretty good chunk of money that if JS was on the top line in Buffalo he'd be getting lit up like a Christmas tree in his own end, regardless of AV's opinion of him.

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01-25-2013, 11:29 AM
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I was shocked and very unsure what to think of the deal when it happened. I think my stance was, if Kassian turns out to be a top 6 power forward, Canucks will come out even or could win the deal. That being said, I figured Kassian would be more of a project and would take a couple seasons to get there. This may still be the case but right now I like what I see.

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01-25-2013, 11:37 AM
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And to get back on topic, I've liked what I've seen from Kassian this year, minus the fight (right idea, very wrong time). His enthusiasm is nice to see, and his strength on the puck looks improved since last year. All those nike camps with Hope Solo et al seem to have paid off.

He pulled off a nice deceptive backhand with some good speed from the slot against Calgary, as well. If he continues to shield the puck like he does now and can get pucks on net like that, he'll collect his fair share of points, and lots of ugly ones that the Canucks don't get enough of.

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01-25-2013, 11:38 AM
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I hope the trade works out - Kassian has looked great so far this season.

The timing of trade still doesn't make much sense to me. Teams that fancy themselves contenders don't usually ship out 20 goal forwards for a prospect in return.

In a perfect world, the Canucks could use a player like Hodgson and a player like Kassian.

And I do think some of the Hodgson hate on this board is beyond ridiculous. It's my opinion that the hockey club bungled the relationship with the this player and not the other way around.

All that said, if Kassian keeps playing like he's playing, people are going to forget about Cody Hodgson in a pretty big hurry.

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01-25-2013, 11:42 AM
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I hope the trade works out - Kassian has looked great so far this season.

The timing of trade still doesn't make much sense to me. Teams that fancy themselves contenders don't usually ship out 20 goal forwards for a prospect in return.

In a perfect world, the Canucks could use a player like Hodgson and a player like Kassian.

And I do think some of the Hodgson hate on this board is beyond ridiculous. It's my opinion that the hockey club bungled the relationship with the this player and not the other way around.

All that said, if Kassian keeps playing like he's playing, people are going to forget about Cody Hodgson in a pretty big hurry.
Hopefully JS can fill that void

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01-25-2013, 11:43 AM
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Hodgson was untouchable by every poster here before the trade. Some fans are starting to like Kassian but remember the day after the trade ? I sure do.

We should bump that thread
Hardly by every poster, i was excited about the trade at the time and quite a few others were as well. Hodgson had many detractors before he was traded, though everyone was happy with the way he developed last year. From average AHL player to a contributor at the NHL level. There were holes in his game that were constantly pointed out. Many saw that Kassian was a rare commodity and when Hodgson was not going to accept his role something had to give. Many were hoping that Schoeder was a comparable for Hodgson. That is yet to be determined but if it is the case the Canucks traded a redundacy for a prized commodity.

About Kassian his potential can only be limited by his character. It seems from what Gillis and Burrows post game interview said is that he is willing to whatever it takes and whatever the team asks from him. I am sure most know his story about losing his Dad and growing up with older brothers and his mom taking care of him. He obviously is self driven in the sense he did not have a dad pressuring him to do better. Making it through the highly political minor hockey system without a parent backing you up is comendable. This is quite different from Hodgson's experience of always being part of the dream team in Toronto, and being the son of a gov't minister. Playing with Stamkos, Taveras, De Zotto etc. I remember Stamkos saying he was a good skater when he was 10 or so but could not shoot that well, so he parents got him shooting coach in order to improve his shot. In that way i am pulling for Kassian as in CCR song he "is no senator's son".


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01-25-2013, 11:47 AM
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I hope the trade works out - Kassian has looked great so far this season.

The timing of trade still doesn't make much sense to me. Teams that fancy themselves contenders don't usually ship out 20 goal forwards for a prospect in return.

In a perfect world, the Canucks could use a player like Hodgson and a player like Kassian.

And I do think some of the Hodgson hate on this board is beyond ridiculous. It's my opinion that the hockey club bungled the relationship with the this player and not the other way around.

All that said, if Kassian keeps playing like he's playing, people are going to forget about Cody Hodgson in a pretty big hurry.
I don't think we'll ever get the whole story, because that involves getting the truth from both sides. Suffice it to say that the relationship was toxic and the best thin was a trade that allows both sides to move on.

I think we'll be much happier with Kassian, presuming he has a lengthy career with the Canucks. In my view, he is more of the "character" type player we all like. And his offensive skills are undeniable.

Both players will get their points but there is a lot more to the game than just getting points.

I am very pleased in what it looks like we have in Kassian.

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01-25-2013, 11:48 AM
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Hodgson is, what, 22? I think he has a bit of time to grow defensively and mature as a player. You might be right that he doesn't have the character to want to be that guy, but it seems a bit early to just assume that.

And I'd bet you a pretty good chunk of money that if JS was on the top line in Buffalo he'd be getting lit up like a Christmas tree in his own end, regardless of AV's opinion of him.
It's odd that Cody's defensive game is so full of holes. I remember watching him in the WJC and he wasn't just the first line and powerplay specialist. He took almost every important draw and was on the first unit penalty kill.

But NHL speed and strength is so much greater than the U20 level that all the defensive awareness in the world can't help you if you can't get into position fast enough. I just don't think Cody will ever have the foot speed to be the player we all wished he could turn into when we drafted him. And while he is top 6 material, there was no place at center here in that capacity. Moving him for a winger who could play top 6 was the right thing to do, especially given the behind the scenes difficulties.

I'm not as certain as you that Schroeder would be getting lit up as much in his own zone. He has the wheels to get back against anybody and his defensive game has looked better in the minors and here so far. Lack of experience and strength would be his shortcomings.

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This thread has grown very off topic and uninteresting. Anyone want to talk about Luongo's performance in the '11 Finals?

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I questioned the trade at the time, and I still feel that had we had another offensive centre in the line up, we might have been able to rally past the Kings in the playoffs.

However at this point, the trade is looking good for both teams. Yeah - we could still use Hodgson, but Kassian looks to be a very good young power forward. One year later, Hodgson is playing first line centre and Kassian is playing with the Sedins. The long term effect of the Hodgson trade is that we will probably be looking to improve our depth at centre in the draft and/or through the Luongo trade.

Kassian is playing with such confidence right now. You can really tell he loves to play, and loves the physical game.

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This thread has grown very off topic and uninteresting. Anyone want to talk about Luongo's performance in the '11 Finals?
BTW- do you think they should retire Bure's number?

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I think I'm going to cut off the Hodgson conversation here. Any Hodgson posts after this will be moved to the Ex-Canucks thread. This thread is for ZK so let's keep it that way.

(You can still talk about the trade, just let's keep the in-depth Cody discussion out of here.)

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I hope the trade works out - Kassian has looked great so far this season.

The timing of trade still doesn't make much sense to me. Teams that fancy themselves contenders don't usually ship out 20 goal forwards for a prospect in return.

In a perfect world, the Canucks could use a player like Hodgson and a player like Kassian.

And I do think some of the Hodgson hate on this board is beyond ridiculous. It's my opinion that the hockey club bungled the relationship with the this player and not the other way around.

All that said, if Kassian keeps playing like he's playing, people are going to forget about Cody Hodgson in a pretty big hurry.


Ummm keeping the comm channel strong between player and organization is a two-way street. You want to put it on the organization? Fine, but it rings hollow when Hodgson couldn't even answer the question of his camp being involved to Oake.


When it comes to fixing things, you can choose to try, or you can choose to walk. Usually, you defer to the organization, more often than not. Even if they screw up. That's just the lay of the land. It's rare though that you get a player so hurt by it that they take a 3 year long crusade to rail against that same management. It doesn't speak well of the _player_.

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I questioned the trade at the time, and I still feel that had we had another offensive centre in the line up, we might have been able to rally past the Kings in the playoffs.

Kassian is playing with such confidence right now. You can really tell he loves to play, and loves the physical game.
Kassian is a multi-tooled player. If one aspect of his game is not working, he is still effective in other areas. Kesler, Burrows, Bieksa are also this type of player. Booth, Raymond and the Sedins, not so much.

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It's actually interesting. Schroeder was drafted after Gillis implemented his personality testing whereas Hodgson was drafted before. Clearly they thought that Schroeder did well on the test while I would be curious to see how Hodgson does on it. He's not horrible or anything, but he's clearly got a bit of a feeling of entitlement and seems to be a bit selfish.
something tells me that if Gillis had used the personality test, we would have ended up with Myers or Karlsson

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And to get back on topic, I've liked what I've seen from Kassian this year, minus the fight (right idea, very wrong time).
I think for a young player like Kassian who will eventually be established as one of the toughest customers in the league (among skill players, I'm not talking about comparing him to John Scott or whoever), he just has to answer the bell when someone comes calling at this point.

Once he is a known quantity around the league - he can beat you with the puck, in the corners and with his fists - not only will players ask him to tangle less but he'll be able to turn down clowns like Eager without his reputation losing any of its lustre.

And I realize it sounds a bit hokey to be talking about his reputation like it's actually important, but look how he bulled around the Calgary zone with impunity the other night. Nary a Flame to be found when he ran over their goaltender, and his linemates had plenty of breathing room as well.

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Hopefully JS can fill that void
I highly doubt his career exceeds Ebbetts :/

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I think for a young player like Kassian who will eventually be established as one of the toughest customers in the league (among skill players, I'm not talking about comparing him to John Scott or whoever), he just has to answer the bell when someone comes calling at this point.

Once he is a known quantity around the league - he can beat you with the puck, in the corners and with his fists - not only will players ask him to tangle less but he'll be able to turn down clowns like Eager without his reputation losing any of its lustre.

And I realize it sounds a bit hokey to be talking about his reputation like it's actually important, but look how he bulled around the Calgary zone with impunity the other night. Nary a Flame to be found when he ran over their goaltender, and his linemates had plenty of breathing room as well.
If he keeps playing like he has been, he will be a fixture on the top line. If he is able to intimidate and create space for the Sedins, they too will be deadlier in the offensive zone. Their whole game is about moving the puck back and forth to create an opening for a scoring opportunity. Him being a right handed shot is a great fit as well.

I love Burrows, but I believe Kassian is the future on that line. It's a good thing though because Kesler and Burrows had chemistry before he ever played with the Sedins and I'd love to see them reunited.

When Booth gets back, we will actually have an issue with too much depth on the wings. Sedin, Kassian, Burrows, Booth, Raymond, Higgins and Hansen should all be in the top 3 lines. Who gets pushed to the fourth?

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This season especially we will be fortunate if the other six wingers are still all healthy when Booth returns.

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I questioned the trade at the time, and I still feel that had we had another offensive centre in the line up, we might have been able to rally past the Kings in the playoffs.

However at this point, the trade is looking good for both teams. Yeah - we could still use Hodgson, but Kassian looks to be a very good young power forward. One year later, Hodgson is playing first line centre and Kassian is playing with the Sedins. The long term effect of the Hodgson trade is that we will probably be looking to improve our depth at centre in the draft and/or through the Luongo trade.

Kassian is playing with such confidence right now. You can really tell he loves to play, and loves the physical game.
I think secondary offense has, and always will be, a problem for the Canucks with the way the team is built. I agree that having Hodgson would've been better for the playoffs. What pissed me off about the trade was the timing. I am still pissed (but obviously less so due to time being passed) because of the timing. You don't trade your 3rd line centre who has been vital to secondary scoring away for a grinderASNKFLAfnk

But Kassian has been good so far. He's growing into what Gillis wanted. Still, stupid to shake up chemistry like that. I think the Sedins' offense went downhill after the deal? And the team went a stretch where we scored like.. 1-2 goals per game and relied on defense only to win? Deciding to go from open style offense to systematic defense was a terrible decision that was forced by the trade.

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...and messier.

I'm not letting that one go anytime soon.

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One thing I like about the kid is he has the aggression without the prickly attitude that Bertuzzi had. Although having met Bertuzzi, he was not the way fans percieved them at all, he still had a bit of an attitude problem on the ice or at least it seemed that way. But Kassian is not brooding or angry, he just loves to play old school, rowdy hockey. People think that just because they play that style they'll be issues with their make-up, but Kassian just wants to play his brand of hockey and has a lot of fun doing it. The smiles on the bench and pats on the back say it all, the team loves that crazy bugger.

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