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Which RoR could very easily be. Don't kid yourself, if RoR is on the block, Tor is interested. Very interested. Its already all over twitter
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Originally Posted by JoemAvs
That basically means that you are not trading Gardiner at all.
No one is trading such a center. Especially not for only Gardiner and pieces
Ah don't bother trying to explain. To half of Leafs Nation, Gardiner = young Nierdermayer. And if you're player isn't a recent top 5 pick, then they're garbage. End of story
EJ is about to enter what are supposed to be his peak years, but he is still miles away from his draft billing. Gormley at this point certainly has a higher ceiling than him now. Even though Gormley is not a sure thing at this point, he's about as good a D with potential as you can hope for at this point, without trying to sell the farm and go for someone like Weber/Doughty/Pietrangelo/Karlsson. His value to ROR is pretty close....
How about Hanzal + Klesla For RoR + 3rd; might be beneficial for both sides?
How about O'Reilly, Elliott & Siemens for Hanzal & Yandle? Might be beneficial for both teams. Elliott's value to Hanzal is pretty close....
Edit : Fixed (Swapped Yandle and Hanzal to go along with your point of view better.)
How about O'Reilly, Elliott & Siemens for Hanzal & Yandle? Might be beneficial for both teams. Elliott's value to Yandle is pretty close....
Ignoring the values for the moment.
Do you have any idea what Phx needs? How is getting two D back for one D even remotely be beneficial? We probably can field 10 NHL capable D on ice today....
If any deal is to be had, we don't need any more D to be coming back, none!! Yandle could be had for the right price, if it's Hanzal + Yandle for RoR + a couple of top 9 forwards/high-level prospects, then you might have something.
Ah don't bother trying to explain. To half of Leafs Nation, Gardiner = young Nierdermayer. And if you're player isn't a recent top 5 pick, then they're garbage. End of story
I would trade Gardiner for RoR in a second.
Same here. You have to give to get, I think Gardiner is a heck of a player and it would hurt to lose him, but I'd value O'Reilly higher.
Change Yandle to OEL and this. Otherwise its RoR, Elliot and a 2nd for Hanzal and Yandle
You think RoR + 2 D prospects that we absolutely have no use for would net you OEL AND Hanzal, you must be living in your dream world. We have a full slate of D fighting for NHL spots: Yandle, OEL, Klesla, Michalek, Morris, Schlemko, Stone, Summers, etc. And top prospects like Gormley and Rundblad are certainly ahead of either of those Avs prospects you mentioned, an arguably Goncharov and Murphy also.
And RoR alone certainly woulnd't get you Yandle + Hanzal, not by a long shot.
If you want OEL, try Duchene + Downie + 1st to start, then work your way up from there....
You think RoR + 2 D prospects that we absolutely have no use for would net you OEL AND Hanzal, you must be living in your dream world. We have a full slate of D fighting for NHL spots: Yandle, OEL, Klesla, Michalek, Morris, Schlemko, Stone, Summers, etc. And top prospects like Gormley and Rundblad are certainly ahead of either of those Avs prospects you mentioned, an arguably Goncharov and Murphy also.
And RoR alone certainly woulnd't get you Yandle + Hanzal, not by a long shot.
If you want OEL, try Duchene + Downie + 1st to start, then work your way up from there....
O'Reilly + Olver/Pickard + Sgarbossa + 1st for Yandle & Hanzal, that could benefit both teams.
Ah don't bother trying to explain. To half of Leafs Nation, Gardiner = young Nierdermayer. And if you're player isn't a recent top 5 pick, then they're garbage. End of story
I would trade Gardiner for RoR in a second.
Obviously.
Would you trade Gardiner ++ for an unsigned RoR? Especially considering he hasnt been signed meaning his contract demands must be somewhat unreasonable?
AV fans- has their been any rumors leaked to what RoR is asking for? Or what Sherman has offered?
Would you trade Gardiner ++ for an unsigned RoR? Especially considering he hasnt been signed meaning his contract demands must be somewhat unreasonable?
AV fans- has their been any rumors leaked to what RoR is asking for? Or what Sherman has offered?
You obviously don't make the trade if you're not allowed to have any communication with RoR beforehand. It's like the Kessel deal. He was an RFA, he was signed right after he got here because that had already been discussed. That's how these things work.
As an outside fan, that doesn't really have a stake in the Avs or Coyotes, I can say this with some confidence... In no way is RoR worth OEL. Not even close.
Sorry, I know Avs fans are really high on RoR, but OEL will be challenging for Norris trophies for the remainder of his very young career.
If you want OEL, start with Duchene and then ++++. Seriously, the kids damn near Petro/Karlsson/Doughty level and really I'm hard pressed to keep him out of that grouping all together. Love his game, super composed and should continue to score around 50 pts for the foreseeable future. Would love him on the Blues!
Would you trade Gardiner ++ for an unsigned RoR? Especially considering he hasnt been signed meaning his contract demands must be somewhat unreasonable?
AV fans- has their been any rumors leaked to what RoR is asking for? Or what Sherman has offered?
Would you trade Gardiner ++ for an unsigned RoR? Especially considering he hasnt been signed meaning his contract demands must be somewhat unreasonable?
AV fans- has their been any rumors leaked to what RoR is asking for? Or what Sherman has offered?
Avs offers - 2yrs @ 3.5M / 5yrs @ 3.4M AAV.
O'Reilly wants... The only thing we think we know is that he wants around 4M per year (No clue on the length, 2 years or more) because that's what he supposedly got in the KHL. His agent refuted the claims that O'Reilly was looking for 5M per year.
I think if O'Reilly was delt, whichever team received him would be privy to his contract demands, and maybe even getting him knowing he was willing to sign. Considering that he would have a better shot at the top two lines. I don't think any trade would happen without those things in place(Contract issues that is..). If they were not in place Colorado would not get enough to warrant trading him.
Would you trade Gardiner ++ for an unsigned RoR? Especially considering he hasnt been signed meaning his contract demands must be somewhat unreasonable?
AV fans- has their been any rumors leaked to what RoR is asking for? Or what Sherman has offered?
Apparently RoR has 2 offers on the table: 2 years $7mil and 5 years $17mil...
It was rumored that he wanted $5mil+ per season but recently his agent said that wasn't true
As an outside fan, that doesn't really have a stake in the Avs or Coyotes, I can say this with some confidence... In no way is RoR worth OEL. Not even close.
Sorry, I know Avs fans are really high on RoR, but OEL will be challenging for Norris trophies for the remainder of his very young career.
If you want OEL, start with Duchene and then ++++. Seriously, the kids damn near Petro/Karlsson/Doughty level and really I'm hard pressed to keep him out of that grouping all together. Love his game, super composed and should continue to score around 50 pts for the foreseeable future. Would love him on the Blues!
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I'm as big a fan as OEL as the next guy, but my god is he ever getting overrated around here lately.
I agree he has more value then Oreilly, probably significantly more. BUT he certainly does not have ++++ more value then Duchene. Duchene still has the potential to be a heck of a lot better player then OEL will be.
I think OEL will be a Top 10 Dman in the league, with probably 2-3 Norris contending years, but he'll never be a consistent Top 3 or even Top 5 Dman I would argue. Doughty, Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Jones will all almost for sure be better.
As an outside fan, that doesn't really have a stake in the Avs or Coyotes, I can say this with some confidence... In no way is RoR worth OEL. Not even close.
Sorry, I know Avs fans are really high on RoR, but OEL will be challenging for Norris trophies for the remainder of his very young career.
If you want OEL, start with Duchene and then ++++. Seriously, the kids damn near Petro/Karlsson/Doughty level and really I'm hard pressed to keep him out of that grouping all together. Love his game, super composed and should continue to score around 50 pts for the foreseeable future. Would love him on the Blues!
There has been a little sarcasm going on in this thread. I don't think anyone really thinks OEL would be coming the other way in a trade for O'Reilly.
I will say this... Is a 'future' Norris winner worth more than a future 'Selke' winner? I don't know...
I'm as big a fan as OEL as the next guy, but my god is he ever getting overrated around here lately.
I agree he has more value then Oreilly, probably significantly more. BUT he certainly does not have ++++ more value then Duchene. Duchene still has the potential to be a heck of a lot better player then OEL will be.
I think OEL will be a Top 10 Dman in the league, with probably 2-3 Norris contending years, but he'll never be a consistent Top 3 or even Top 5 Dman I would argue. Doughty, Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Jones will all almost for sure be better.
Even if he peaks as "just a top 10 defenseman" he holds more value to a franchise then a 1b/2a center, with a 1st line ceiling. The only way the Avs wouldn't add is if Duchene was to become, for certain, a top 10 center, which is possible, but much less likely than OEL reaching his potential. I think you may have gotten stuck on the amount of +++++ I used, it was more to signify that you would have to add, to make the values even out. I wasn't trying to say you would have to add 3-4 more pieces.
As far as Jones is concerned, I wait to form an opinion once he finally reaches the NHL. EJ had the same level of hype surrounding him when the Blues picked him, and he has yet to live up to that PERCIEVED level. I think EJ is a solid #1 and a great #2, but not the "end all be all" he was touted when he was drafted. And please, I have followed EJ since he was drafted with STL, I know all about his trails and tribulations, Im not trying to turn this discussion into an EJ pissing match.
