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*ALL* PK Subban talk (News/Speculation/Rumors/Proposals) II

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01-25-2013, 05:43 PM
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P.K. is still holding out? Great team guy right there. Probably over $500K as well.

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Philly should offer sheet him. Let Montreal decice what they want to do.

Montreal has 0 leverage to be demanding a Couturier or Schenn, PK aint even under contract. Lower your demands or be stuck with a guy that doesn't want to play there or will hold a grudge against the organisation for this(aka GTFO of Montreal as soon as possible).
thats ridiculous, the flyers have the worst defense in the league right now, cuz of the injuries and they r getting older anyway.

u can try an offer sheet but what for ? do u think the habs r poor ? lol comon

btw drew doughty made the same thing the last year, and the kings won the cup so i don't really care about the grudge against the organisation.

+ PK made an interview yesterday and he clearly said that he want to play for the habs.

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01-25-2013, 05:45 PM
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Who says he's not mulling over an offer sheet from someone? Holmgren always calls other GMs to warn them of an incoming OS so that might have been the call today, no one knows.

edit: Flyers would be stupid to not do this at this point:
●Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
There has been no offer sheet. He was discussing with the habs all day and MB hasn't given up an inch. He'll take the weekend with his family to decide whether or not he takes the bridge deal or continues to sit.

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Who says he's not mulling over an offer sheet from someone? Holmgren always calls other GMs to warn them of an incoming OS so that might have been the call today, no one knows.

edit: Flyers would be stupid to not do this at this point:
●Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
How much cap space does the Flyers have to offersheet Subban with? How many years and amount do you think the Habs wouldn't match?

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01-25-2013, 05:48 PM
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Well, if what we heard before this about Subban telling Meehan to get something done is true, then it's no wonder the Habs would stand pat on their lowball bridge contract offer. Can't blame them for standing firm in those circumstances. (Although can still blame them for going there in the first place). I think after a weekend of reflection PK has to decline. He's a saint if he takes what the Habs are reportedly offering.

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01-25-2013, 05:50 PM
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I couldn't give a rat's ass about what languages he speaks.

I wanna know how his development is going. If he has been able to withstand big minutes. If he handles the pressure well.
He seemed to be able to withstand big minutes and handle pressure well when shutting down Malkin. As a rookie he seems to have the defensive game covered but given the chance I really believe he could put up big numbers offensively as well.

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thats ridiculous, the flyers have the worst defense in the league right now, cuz of the injuries and they r getting older anyway.

u can try an offer sheet but what for ? do u think the habs r poor ? lol comon

btw drew doughty made the same thing the last year, and the kings won the cup so i don't really care about the grudge against the organisation.

+ PK made an interview yesterday and he clearly said that he want to play for the habs.
Offer Sheet because the Habs dont want to pay him. Like I said earlier, OS him and let Bergevin decide (he would match or try to work out a trade). Flyers lose nothing to try and at worst lose 3 picks (2 or less because Holmgren always deals the 2nds at the deadline anyway)

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01-25-2013, 05:51 PM
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How much cap space does the Flyers have to offersheet Subban with? How many years and amount do you think the Habs wouldn't match?
Typical flyers fans they think they can just offer sheet and get P.K easily like we don't have the salary just because MB isn't willing to sign the long term deal and wants a bridge deal. Anyway if P.K wants to absolutely return to the habs he'll have to accept a bridge deal, MB won't give.

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How much cap space does the Flyers have to offersheet Subban with? How many years and amount do you think the Habs wouldn't match?
They have about 7million with Knuble signed and Pronger on IR. Plus Timmonen's 6.3 comming off the books in the summer.

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01-25-2013, 05:53 PM
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Well, if what we heard before this about Subban telling Meehan to get something done is true, then it's no wonder the Habs would stand pat on their lowball bridge contract offer. Can't blame them for standing firm in those circumstances. (Although can still blame them for going there in the first place). I think after a weekend of reflection PK has to decline. He's a saint if he takes what the Habs are reportedly offering.
What are you talking about? Excuse the habs management for trying to keep him 2 more years and negotiate another deal while he's still an RFA. If you sign him to a 6 year deal right now he might walk away at 28 years old.

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Typical flyers fans they think they can just offer sheet and get P.K easily like we don't have the salary just because MB isn't willing to sign the long term deal and wants a bridge deal. Anyway if P.K wants to absolutely return to the habs he'll have to accept a bridge deal, MB won't give.
Hey PHI helps speed up the process...
A team should just offer Subban 5.75M x 5yr deal and let MTL match and get this over with.

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No problem.

From Philly's perspective, I would pass on a Couturier + 1st for Subban. Brayden Schenn on the other hand...
Couturier over Schenn all day every day.

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01-25-2013, 05:55 PM
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Offer Sheet because the Habs dont want to pay him. Like I said earlier, OS him and let Bergevin decide (he would match or try to work out a trade). Flyers lose nothing to try and at worst lose 3 picks (2 or less because Holmgren always deals the 2nds at the deadline anyway)
bergevin will match it theres no doubt, except if holmgren is stupid enough to offer 6m and over.

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01-25-2013, 05:56 PM
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Hey PHI helps speed up the process...
A team should just offer Subban 5.75M x 5yr deal and let MTL match and get this over with.
That might speed up the process, unless P.K signs Monday. I'd rather have him signed for 2 years and negotiate a long term deal while he's 25 years old and still a RFA.

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They have about 7million with Knuble signed and Pronger on IR. Plus Timmonen's 6.3 comming off the books in the summer.
So what would your offersheet amount be for Subban? How many years and for how much total?

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01-25-2013, 05:57 PM
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Philly should offer sheet him. Let Montreal decice what they want to do.

Montreal has 0 leverage to be demanding a Couturier or Schenn, PK aint even under contract. Lower your demands or be stuck with a guy that doesn't want to play there or will hold a grudge against the organisation for this(aka GTFO of Montreal as soon as possible).
From my position Montreal seems to be holding all the leverage. They do not have to give a contract that they don't want to and when he is put out for trade there will be a great bidding war.

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01-25-2013, 05:58 PM
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Probably get crucified by both fan bases but what about a deal around Baertschi from the Flames? Assuming that Subban isn't actually asking for anywhere close to 6M.

Baertschi + Brodie + Babchuk for Subban

Baertschi's not only the Flame top prospect but one of the top prospects entering this season. Brodie is lesser known and he's no Subban but at 22 years old he's already making a case for himself as a top 4 defenseman, for the most part Flame fans are very high on this kid. Last game against Vancouver he did play in a top 4 role and didn't look out of place. Babchuk is cap dump.

While the Flames are not committing to the rebuild they might as well try and make moves that give them the best chance to win now. Their defense has been horrendous this season, especially Giordano, Bouwmeester and Butler - 3 of their top 4. But firing on all cylinders a top 4 of Bouwmeester, Giordano, Subban and Wideman looks very respectable. Other than a top line center a top 4 defenseman has been their biggest hole (although Brodie was a definite improvement over Butler last game). On the other hand, even with Iginla in limbo for next year, their winger situation isn't all that bad. Iginla, Cammalleri, Tanguay, Glencross, and Hudler are all capable of playing a top 6 role when they're playing well while Stempniak has started off this season very good and looks like Cervanka might end up playing wing now as well. Baertschi, for this season, is looking to get lost in the shuffle if he doesn't really break out here quick.

Even going forward Subban at 23 is young enough to go through a rebuild and what Baertschi and Brodie could become is a lot different than what they might end up as so a bird in the bush here.

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So what would your offersheet amount be for Subban? How many years and for how much total?
any gm who offer over 5.5 to subban is just crazy as ****.

comon guys, let's try to be realistic a lil bit.

use ur logic.

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So what would your offersheet amount be for Subban? How many years and for how much total?
Lets say its 5.85M x 6yrs..

Subban will sign it since he is looking for something similar
MTL will match it cause they wont let him go for a bunch of low picks

In the end Subban will be in MTL for a very long time and everyone wins!

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Probably get crucified by both fan bases but what about a deal around Baertschi from the Flames? Assuming that Subban isn't actually asking for anywhere close to 6M.

Baertschi + Brodie + Babchuk for Subban

Baertschi's not only the Flame top prospect but one of the top prospects entering this season. Brodie is lesser known and he's no Subban but at 22 years old he's already making a case for himself as a top 4 defenseman, for the most part Flame fans are very high on this kid. Last game against Vancouver he did play in a top 4 role and didn't look out of place. Babchuk is cap dump.

While the Flames are not committing to the rebuild they might as well try and make moves that give them the best chance to win now. Their defense has been horrendous this season, especially Giordano, Bouwmeester and Butler - 3 of their top 4. But firing on all cylinders a top 4 of Bouwmeester, Giordano, Subban and Wideman looks very respectable. Other than a top line center a top 4 defenseman has been their biggest hole (although Brodie was a definite improvement over Butler last game). On the other hand, even with Iginla in limbo for next year, their winger situation isn't all that bad. Iginla, Cammalleri, Tanguay, Glencross, and Hudler are all capable of playing a top 6 role when they're playing well while Stempniak has started off this season very good and looks like Cervanka might end up playing wing now as well. Baertschi, for this season, is looking to get lost in the shuffle if he doesn't really break out here quick.

Even going forward Subban at 23 is young enough to go through a rebuild and what Baertschi and Brodie could become is a lot different than what they might end up as so a bird in the bush here.
Frankly I don't think the Flames would trade Baertschi and P.K will be signed by next week. Just a hunch, I hope I'm right

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Lets say its 5.85M x 6yrs..

Subban will sign it since he is looking for something similar
MTL will match it cause they wont let him go for a bunch of low picks

In the end Subban will be in MTL for a very long time and everyone wins!
Philadelphia might wet the bed, but you just don't take that risk. Especially now with Hartnell injured for a couple of weeks.

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any gm who offer over 5.5 to subban is just crazy as ****.

comon guys, let's try to be realistic a lil bit.

use ur logic.
The offers have to be on the crazy side for the player to sign.. There is no way Subban signs to a 4.5M x 2 yr offersheet..

Vanek \ Penner \ Suter all signed to crazy ass offers

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Philadelphia might wet the bed, but you just don't take that risk. Especially now with Hartnell injured for a couple of weeks.
There is no way MTL lets Subban go for picks especially if its a team like PHI or the money is way too high..

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So what would your offersheet amount be for Subban? How many years and for how much total?
●Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd

Whatever in that range. 5-6-7 years....

I think I have to make this clear but I dont think anyone would get him on an offer sheet. Montreal will match anything. Its worth the try though, Bergevin might cave and ask for less in a trade(wich would make 0 sense).

edit: Without the injuries Philly currently have, my opinion would be VERY different. Id never even consider giving PK 5.5+ a year.

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From my position Montreal seems to be holding all the leverage. They do not have to give a contract that they don't want to and when he is put out for trade there will be a great bidding war.
especially if u consider all the injuries the flyers have.

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